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A lot of times when i see a WC video i always see grappling involved. Just wondering, has it always been there or was it just added in recently?
and the many years after that that had royce mowing through everyone and having more ppl come forward and say "NOOO, I will smash royce, i'll ko him before he can take me doooooown!!!".......WHAM takedown GnP then subfightingfat said:Since Wing Chunners woke up to the fact that if you get taken down you get destroyed!
So about 1993 then!!![]()
yipman_sifu said:In Wing Chun there is a saying that states: Never box a boxer, never grapple a grappler, and of course never wrestle a wrestler.
your straight middle line aiming will allow you to have the upper hand in punching speed, bursting chain punches as much as you can.
Andrew Green said:This is definately not unique to Wing Chun, I imagine every system has this principle, in any competitive activity.
The wrestlers and boxers aren't going to play your game, they are going to try and force you into theirs as well.
This is how Royce was able to dominate those early UFC's so easily. He understood their game, and he understood how to protect himself from being forced into it, that's what he trained to do.
They, on the other hand, knew nothing about his and had no means to defend it.
If you want to defeat a wrestler, you need to know how to wrestle well enough to avoid being forced into their game.
And hear lies the problem, you see these as a way to attack me and keep me from being able to ake you down, I see someone throwing chain punches as a perfect opportunity to take them down.
Under your set of rules it works, under mine it doesn't. We are dueling under different rules, don't assume the same things will work under each.
7starmantis said:One other point, some systems of "standup" have trained to follow opponents to the ground, sit on their chest, and pound their head into the pavement since their inception. Its just that the mentality you mentioned has changed the way these systems are trained in some places, many in America.
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yipman_sifu said:Wing Chun trainers are the best people in feeling force and contact. So I don't have to play your game as you mentioned.
White Fox said:I say why not have striking skills and grappling skills? They both seem to have value to me.
Am I wrong?
Andrew Green said:Chain punching and Chi sau work in Wing Chun, not in MMA. Two different games, different games, don't confuse them.
Andrew Green said:sort of, not at all wing chun stylistically though.
WingChun Lawyer said:As far as I know, Vitor Belfort is first and foremost a boxer, right?
Andrew Green said:But you are trying to, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. what you are claiming is that wing chun dueling techniques are equally effective under MMA rules.
And I will conceed that they work nicely under Wing Chun rules, but in MMA they do not, and everyone that has tried to show they do has been taken down.
Same as many boxing techniques and strategies do not work in MMA, but that does not take away their effectiveness or value in boxing. What works in MMA doesn't always work in Boxing either, even when you look at just punching.
Chain punching and Chi sau work in Wing Chun, not in MMA. Two different games, different games, don't confuse them. Now when it comes to self-defence I got no idea which is better, it can't be tested. Both have shown to be effective and that's all that I know.
Beyond that it is a matter of preferance, which do you prefer? I'm guessing that for you that is Wing Chun, which is fine, I respect that. BUT, don't assume that your stuff works under other rule sets, if it did people training under those rules would be using it.