Snow in june...in Hawaii...

[billc]

A look at the benefits of being a "Green" scientist...

http://biggovernment.com/chorner/20...al-warming-activist-james-hansen/#more-287664

From the article:

This week I filed a lawsuit against the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), in federal district court in the District of Columbia on behalf of The American Tradition Institute’s Environmental Law Center. On the heels of obtaining a court order last month compelling the University of Virginia to produce the long-sought ‘Hockey Stick’-related records, ATI’s transparency project now seeks to force NASA to release ethics records for taxpayer-funded global warming activist Dr. James Hansen, specifically those pertaining to his outside employment, revenue generation, and advocacy activities.

What we are trying to determine is whether NASA approved Hansen’s widespread, well-documented, high-profile and, it turns out, extremely lucrative “outside employment and other activities”, permission for which must be obtained in writing, in advance. Public financial disclosures and other documents reveal that he has received at least $1.2 million in the past four years, more than doubling his taxpayer-financed salary.

 

[elder999]

A look at the benefits of being a "Green" scientist...

http://biggovernment.com/chorner/20...al-warming-activist-james-hansen/#more-287664

From the article:

This week I filed a lawsuit against the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), in federal district court in the District of Columbia on behalf of The American Tradition Institute’s Environmental Law Center. On the heels of obtaining a court order last month compelling the University of Virginia to produce the long-sought ‘Hockey Stick’-related records, ATI’s transparency project now seeks to force NASA to release ethics records for taxpayer-funded global warming activist Dr. James Hansen, specifically those pertaining to his outside employment, revenue generation, and advocacy activities.

What we are trying to determine is whether NASA approved Hansen’s widespread, well-documented, high-profile and, it turns out, extremely lucrative “outside employment and other activities”, permission for which must be obtained in writing, in advance. Public financial disclosures and other documents reveal that he has received at least $1.2 million in the past four years, more than doubling his taxpayer-financed salary.

So?

Doesn't change the fact that our atmospheric carbon burden is higher than it's been in 420,000 years.

Doesn't alter the fact, that it's happened since the industrial revolution began, and that it's demonstrably man-made.


Doesn't change the fact that, just last year, the human race added a record 30 gigatons to the atmosphere.

 

[billc]

A new wrinkle to the global warming issue...

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/07/19/why-did-cern-gag-its-scientists/

From the article:

The chief of the world’s leading physics lab at CERN in Geneva has prohibited scientists from drawing conclusions from a major experiment. The CLOUD (“Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets&#8221 experiment examines the role that energetic particles from deep space play in cloud formation. CLOUD uses CERN’s proton synchrotron to examine nucleation.
CERN Director General Rolf-Dieter Heuer told Welt Online that the scientists should refrain from drawing conclusions from the latest experiment.
“I have asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them,” reports veteran science editor Nigel Calder on his blog. Why?
Because, Heuer says, “That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate. One has to make clear that cosmic radiation is only one of many parameters.”
​

True, as far as it goes, but it’s hard to imagine any scientist in any field getting gagged by higher-ups if their science backs up the global warming narrative. What we have seen, though, is scientists pushing the global warming thesis despite the faults in their models and the holes in their own data, and overall encouragement across many disciplines to push the AGW line whether it’s directly relevant or not.

 

[elder999]

A new wrinkle to the global warming issue...

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/07/19/why-did-cern-gag-its-scientists/

From the article:

The chief of the world’s leading physics lab at CERN in Geneva has prohibited scientists from drawing conclusions from a major experiment. The CLOUD (“Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets&#8221 experiment examines the role that energetic particles from deep space play in cloud formation. CLOUD uses CERN’s proton synchrotron to examine nucleation.
CERN Director General Rolf-Dieter Heuer told Welt Online that the scientists should refrain from drawing conclusions from the latest experiment.
“I have asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them,” reports veteran science editor Nigel Calder on his blog. Why?
Because, Heuer says, “That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate. One has to make clear that cosmic radiation is only one of many parameters.”
​

True, as far as it goes, but it’s hard to imagine any scientist in any field getting gagged by higher-ups if their science backs up the global warming narrative. What we have seen, though, is scientists pushing the global warming thesis despite the faults in their models and the holes in their own data, and overall encouragement across many disciplines to push the AGW line whether it’s directly relevant or not.

What the article misses is that the major greenhouse gas thought to contribute to global warming isn't CO2-it's water vapor, the very stuff of clouds. It'd be hard for the results not to figure into the debate no matter who is doing the interpretation, and-and this is importatnt-regardless of what it shows, independent of other factors, the data could be interpreted both ways-best to stay out of it....:lfao:

 

[Buka]

Interesting thread.

All I can say is this. I lived in Hawaii for ten years. When it snowed EVERYONE drove up the mountain and played like children.

It was very cool.

 

[Blade96]

You can have our snow

as we've had snow in june