There has been some discussion not to mention some controversy on this forum about whether or not an instructor should focus on a student's goals or vice versa. My position on this is that a good instructor should at least listen to what a student's goals might be and should not be opposed to possibly helping the student reach their goals, whatever they might be. If the student has unreasonable goals than the instructor should do their best to inform the student that they're being unreasonable and perhaps unrealistic but that doesn't mean the instructor shouldn't perhaps try to help and advise the student to modify their goals to make them more realistic. People take up martial arts for many different reasons and a good instructor, in my opinion, should listen to the student's reasons and know the student's reasons. Communication is key. Headhunter has taken the approach that when he trains in the martial arts he has his own reasons and his own standards which might or might not be the same standards of the instructor. He makes some good points but Headhunter by taking such an approach you're going to face controversy and disagreement on this forum. That is not necessarily a bad thing, debate and disagreement can be good and I believe that if somebody disagrees with me about something its important to know why, I like to see their position. I just like to keep it civilized when that occurs. Anyway, Headhunter if you do have your own standards and goals in the martial arts, to be able to reach them that also includes having a plan to reach them. I take it you already know that as you come across to me as a relatively smart person. Also, people such as Chris Parker would probably strongly disagree with the approach you talk about taking in some of your posts. I think its good to debate and discuss such stuff, and remember all, lets keep it civil shall we?