Shinobi when you do please post want and how it went.
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I DO extend it to everyone. The sign on my outer breezeway door says "Private Property--No Soliciting". That usually does it.
I've never witnessed anyone try to take it further than that but if they DO ever slide open my breezeway door and try to Enter the house to my front door, the sign, inside the breezeway, on the front door, saying "PRIVATE PROPERTY--NO TRESPASSING--VIOLATORS WIL BE SHOT-SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN" ought to sufficiently get the message across.
(Well, okay, I bought the second sign as a joke, and my folks didn't like the second one, so took it down last month, but you get the idea. I don't ever welcome ANYONE to my home who I do not know and/or have not invited).
Yes. As far as I am concerned the law should be modified so as to include this as trespassing. Ditto any other religion but it seems I've only ever had Christians or people who claim to be Christians do this. They learn very quickly to Leave Now And Never Come Back.
Shinobi when you do please post want and how it went.![]()
Yes, the no soliciting sign pretty much blankets everyone, and I suppose that if you have a camera snaping pics of everyone who comes to the door, technically, trespassers are 'shot'.Though on private property, you'd be well within your rights to have a 'no proselytizing' sign as well.
But in the original post that I replied to...
...you had couched it as making it illegal for people to do the door to door preaching which is very different from a property owner simply banning all forms proselytizing from his or her own land. That is why I asked about whether or not you felt that such a law should extend to other forms of door knocking as well. In my area at least, it is not considered trespassing to do door to door sales, take petitions door to door, or for kids to go trying to solicit donations for school events. Thus, in order to avoid any one group or groups crying foul on grounds of religious discrimination, the state would pretty much have to make door-knocking in general illegal.
Daniel
Dojos going churchy? Don't know. I know a good number of Christian martial arts groups, but they often teach on church grounds as an offering to existing Christians who simply want either a Christ centered philosophy or who do not want any non-Christian philosphy.Hmm that is very interesting. Is this happening alot recently or is this just an instance few and far between?
Yes, the no soliciting sign pretty much blankets everyone, and I suppose that if you have a camera snaping pics of everyone who comes to the door, technically, trespassers are 'shot'.Though on private property, you'd be well within your rights to have a 'no proselytizing' sign as well.
But in the original post that I replied to...
...you had couched it as making it illegal for people to do the door to door preaching which is very different from a property owner simply banning all forms proselytizing from his or her own land. That is why I asked about whether or not you felt that such a law should extend to other forms of door knocking as well. In my area at least, it is not considered trespassing to do door to door sales, take petitions door to door, or for kids to go trying to solicit donations for school events. Thus, in order to avoid any one group or groups crying foul on grounds of religious discrimination, the state would pretty much have to make door-knocking in general illegal.
Daniel
Hey Shinobi,
How are you?
I\'m a Christian and a martial artist too. (Been both for about twenty years or so)
I can understand your dilemma and if possible, I\'d like to help you out here. Before I can, however, just so I have a little context, could you please define what you mean when you state that you\'re a non-practicing Christian?
Best regards,
TCG
By the Christian virus.
Now, I am a Christian, albeit a non practicing one, and I've never had anything against the fact that my Sensei is ALSO a minister who runs his own church (which most of the people at my dojo attend.) That was, however, until he made the announcement that we would now be assigned patches that had the kanji for "Army of the Cross" or an eagle with a cross infront of it.
Now, I've never been one to complain about him making analogies to the bible during training, or anything of the like, and as said I AM a Christian and I'm sorry if this post offends anyone, but I am NOT looking for a church. I feel that these patches my sensei is commanding us to wear force me to scream that I believe in this, which I don't believe is right, because we have several people in training who are NOT Christian, who are liberals that are already alienated enough by Sensei's beliefs, but forcing them to wear a patch saying they believe in a God they may or may not believe in is, I believe, wrong.
I'll agree, Christian values can be good, and that in theory, a martial art should drive you to become a better person, but this should be the martial art itself, the discipline you get as you rise through your ranks, not by being told stories out of an old book.
I don't know how to really say this without offending anybody, so I'm sorry if I did, but I just want to know everyone's thoughts on this. Am I taking a patch too seriously? I understand that it's just a cloth, but I feel like it's the beginning of so much more, like eventually he'll say "You MUST attend the church if you plan to continue training." Please, I want to hear everyone's feedback, this is something that has been bothering me to the poitn where I've even considered leaving my dojo.
By the Christian virus.
Now, I am a Christian, albeit a non practicing one, and I've never had anything against the fact that my Sensei is ALSO a minister who runs his own church (which most of the people at my dojo attend.) That was, however, until he made the announcement that we would now be assigned patches that had the kanji for "Army of the Cross" or an eagle with a cross infront of it.
Now, I've never been one to complain about him making analogies to the bible during training, or anything of the like, and as said I AM a Christian and I'm sorry if this post offends anyone, but I am NOT looking for a church. I feel that these patches my sensei is commanding us to wear force me to scream that I believe in this, which I don't believe is right, because we have several people in training who are NOT Christian, who are liberals that are already alienated enough by Sensei's beliefs, but forcing them to wear a patch saying they believe in a God they may or may not believe in is, I believe, wrong.
I'll agree, Christian values can be good, and that in theory, a martial art should drive you to become a better person, but this should be the martial art itself, the discipline you get as you rise through your ranks, not by being told stories out of an old book.
I don't know how to really say this without offending anybody, so I'm sorry if I did, but I just want to know everyone's thoughts on this. Am I taking a patch too seriously? I understand that it's just a cloth, but I feel like it's the beginning of so much more, like eventually he'll say "You MUST attend the church if you plan to continue training." Please, I want to hear everyone's feedback, this is something that has been bothering me to the poitn where I've even considered leaving my dojo.
If your not a practicing christian then what are you? I mean if im a cop and i never go out on duty then how am i cop? But anyway I am also a minister, if he's gonna be doing that He should just change the name to Christian martial arts or whatever, because he shouldnt be forcing people to wear religious symbols in stuff they dont believe in. You cant force religion down someones throat no matter how much you try or have a good intention with it it only works if God lets them get it if there ready to recieve it ANYWAY. Yeah why dont you just tell him he shouldnt do this, dont be afraid of him. Or tell him to change the name to Christian martial arts or whatever. by the way Christianity is not a virus. Only thing that is a virus is ignorence, and biggotry things like that are a virus
Wow!
Well due to the horns on top of my head I could never go into a church as if I did I would burst into flames.:flame:
I am a 100% hardcore fundementalist Christain, but I don't think he should be forcing anything off on his class.
Our faith dictates that you should not force your faith off on others. People have to come on their own.
Voice your opposition and be prepared to leave.
Shinobi,By the Christian virus.
Now, I am a Christian, albeit a non practicing one, and I've never had anything against the fact that my Sensei is ALSO a minister who runs his own church (which most of the people at my dojo attend.) That was, however, until he made the announcement that we would now be assigned patches that had the kanji for "Army of the Cross" or an eagle with a cross infront of it.
Now, I've never been one to complain about him making analogies to the bible during training, or anything of the like, and as said I AM a Christian and I'm sorry if this post offends anyone, but I am NOT looking for a church. I feel that these patches my sensei is commanding us to wear force me to scream that I believe in this, which I don't believe is right, because we have several people in training who are NOT Christian, who are liberals that are already alienated enough by Sensei's beliefs, but forcing them to wear a patch saying they believe in a God they may or may not believe in is, I believe, wrong.
I'll agree, Christian values can be good, and that in theory, a martial art should drive you to become a better person, but this should be the martial art itself, the discipline you get as you rise through your ranks, not by being told stories out of an old book.
I don't know how to really say this without offending anybody, so I'm sorry if I did, but I just want to know everyone's thoughts on this. Am I taking a patch too seriously? I understand that it's just a cloth, but I feel like it's the beginning of so much more, like eventually he'll say "You MUST attend the church if you plan to continue training." Please, I want to hear everyone's feedback, this is something that has been bothering me to the poitn where I've even considered leaving my dojo.