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Is it possible to transform a meditation form, e.g. Falun Gong, into a martial fighting style?
Is it possible to transform a meditation form, e.g. Falun Gong, into a martial fighting style?
Ya sure it is especially for Falun Dafa, they can fly, instantly teleport & shoot blasts of energy especially 李洪志!
Oh and don't forget 李洪志 is the only one making money off of that endeavor, sounds like a normal Qigong group.
I would recommend "NOT" getting involved in it especially if you have any prospects in China!
I don't remember reading about that in that Zhuan Falun book of theirs...
(disclaimer: not a practitioner)
Do we have any reliability that these criticisms of Falun Gong aren't from the CCP propaganda machine? I don't understand why people distrust the Falun Gong group more than the stuff we hear that seems to originate from the CCP's own crackdown of Falun Gong...
(disclaimer: seriously, not a practitioner of any qigong)
Well, I'm an atheist and I tend to be very aware of encroaching by spiritual groups. Let's just say that Falun Gong is harmless, if the rumours are to be believed, compared to Scientology. I think that the disproportionate response by the CCP to this matter suggests that its opposition to Falun Gong is political more than any interest in safety.
It seems it's more afraid that because Falun Gong has no structure but that it's also capable of moving a lot of people in very short time, and to me anything capable of putting terror into CCP officials is a good thing. It's very telling that the crackdown happened after large protests. The speed and numbers of the gatherers definitely shook the party's sense of control.
Whatever can be said about Falun Gong, the actions of the Scientology nuts are actually scary, but I still wouldn't wish the same torture on them.
Some of that sounds fishy to me. I mean that part about the claim that the families saying "we don't want them". That sounds like something that the CCP fabricates.
And, excuse my brashness, but I personally have doubts about the people who WERE there. My experience with talking to a few of these people is that they really buy into what the CCP says is true. They don't question at all. Not just on the Falun Gong stuff. They even believe that the CCP did all the "important" fighting against the Japanese and the KMT did absolutely nothing.
Even for the people who were there at the time, its clear most of the news they get is second or third hand. They were "there" but they heard it from someone else who heard it from the government news but it gets a psychologically boosted level of trustworthiness because they hear it from a lot of people. Seriously, look the psychology up. The same thing happened with the whole Iraq thing.
The evidence to me is that the CCP is just the bigger villain here. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP sponsored people infiltrated Falun Gong and helped with the newspapers you say you get. For a similar incident just look at all the pro-CCP/anti-Tibet protestors at the Olympic Torch business. It's easy to see that they were paid to protest. And you know what, I bet every genuine form of Qigong can be traced back to having claims as ridiculous as that by the Falun Gong.
I've read some of the Zhuan Falun and they make the classic New Age blunder of disparaging science unless they can interpret it to support their claims. A lot of the time in the book they over extend the conclusions drawn from it. But I'll also say go spend a lot of time with a genuine Qigong teacher from China. If you stick around long enough they'll start to say similarly incredible stuff.
If you follow the links on the Falun Gong Wikipedia page, you'll find a link to the Chinese professor that started the whole persecution thing. He wasn't just criticizing Falun Gong. He was critical of ALL of Qigong and Chinese medicine and similar stuff. So if people are not hypocritical about their criticism of Falun Gong, they should be just as critical about all of Qigong.
lol. last year I was curious about chinese opera and went to their new year splendor show in NYC. overall it was interesting, but overly religious... I mean c'mon now they invite all people to watch a show, but during the intermissions they sing songs about the Dafa guy being the ruler of the universe... seems like trying to indoctrinate people subtly.
If you want to watch good classical chinese opera, perhaps one still should travel to see the beijing opera.
but back to the topic, ... meditation is included in many martial arts. however not all meditation can be a martial art. Have to see what the purpose of it is and what usefulness it has.
It's a summary, made by me, of a rather long story not a direct quote by the PRC whether or not if it sounds fishy to you I really don’t care.
That is where you crossed the line and no I do not think I will excuse your brashness this time.
The people I am talking about are “Family” and I am rather offended that you are telling me my family is either weak minded, brain washed or out right lying.
While you are living safely in Australia (is that right, if not I apologize but I know it is not mainland and likely never has been and most certainly not Beijing and have you even ever visited Beijing? Likely most of this (possibly all) was before you were born) These people lost a whole lot of land to the Communists when they took, and lived through the Cultural revolution in Beijing and one even seriously contemplated suicide it got so bad. My brother-in-law was one of the guys climbing on tanks when Tiananmen was going on, my wife lived incredibly close to Tiananmen and heard the gunshots and 2 of her colleagues from the hospital got shot in Tiananmen while they were there helping sick and injured students just prior to the tanks rolling in. So I do believe they are very aware of what the Communists are capable of and what reality in China today is and what it was in the past.
They were there, they saw what as going on with Fulan Gong and I take facts from Eye witnesses over speculations from someone living thousands of miles away. They have also witnessed Buddhist, Christian, Taoist and other religious activities that the PRC couldn’t care less about. However Fulan Gong got in their face and MADE it an issue and bottom-line you get in the face of the PRC and they will make you wish you hadn’t.
As to the KMT, I have never heard any of my family or any other person in or from China say this they are rather aware that during the war that both KMT and PRC fought together against the Japanese. They only thing I have ever heard them say about the KMT is that they are as guilty as the PRC when it comes to committing atrocities against the Chinese people.
And now you are telling me I need to read Psychology to understand, do you read what you post before you post it or are you just that certain that you are always right and can say whatever you want and we all should just bow down to the intellect that is Oxy.
You do realize for someone who is so adamant about not being a member of Fulan Gong that you are sure talking like one
Is the PRC free? No and I do not think I said it was. Does just about every single person in China know what to do and not to do to stay on the good side of the Government? Yes. Did the members of Fulan Gong know this when they decided to make an issue with the PRC? Yes. Was their founder on a plane for the US with all their follower cash while the members he sent to protest were getting arrested, before the PRC came to arrest him? Yes.
Speaking of second and third hand knowledge….ummm you ever talk to an actual Qigong teacher form Mainland or a TCM Doc trained on mainland about Qigong?
He did not start the persecution of Fulan Gong and there was a move in China against TCM and Qigong that has been being debated for a couple of years now this is not news and this is a topic of discussion of the medical community in China for awhile now. You might want to check your Wikipedia source
You talk about people that live in China as weak minded or covering up and giving out second or third hand knowledge but yet you are basing your entire post on second or third hand knowledge if it is that close. And we are done, the quickest way to piss me off is to go after or make remarks against my family and you crossed that line. All that remains is whether or not to make you the sole occupant of my ignore list.
So go right the hell ahead and put me on your ignore list. I don't think I can handle someone who twists people's posts so they can exercise their holier-than-thou righteousness. Me crossing your line is your imagination. However, you crossed my line by trying to imply my guilt through an implied but incorrect association. That was unbecoming of you, but at least it exposed you for the kind of person you are. (I actually don't have a line that people can cross, but since we're playing that game..., however I do tend to remember people through their reasoning ability)