Man Who took Down Seattle Shooter Gets Crowd-Funded Reward

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  1. arnisador

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    [h=1]Seattle student credited with stopping campus gunman has wedding registry, honeymoon paid for by strangers[/h]
    People chipping in for his wedding registry--now that's a feel-good story! I also note that sometimes the only thing that can stop a bad actor with a gun is a good actor with pepper spray and a"chokehold". (I'd like to know if he had any training and used a formal choke/strangle of some sort.) He regularly carries pepper spray.
     
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    I read about this story earlier today. I'd like to know what training he had as well. That was quick thinking with the pepper spray, probably a good alternative when you can't CC.
     
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    It says he was deeply religious yet concerned about being prepared for danger--I wonder if he consciously chose a less-lethal option.
     
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    There are a lot of things to discuss about this, but for now, I think it's enough to just acknowledge that he saved a lot of lives by taking this guy down while he reloaded his shotgun.


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    This is just purely awesome, and a great job done by him. A perfect example to always be prepared, cuz anything can happen anywhere and at any time. It is better to have and not need, than to need and not have...
     
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    Yeah...and sometimes you can take out two men armed with knives barehanded. Doesn't mean it's the best way to do it. Are you suggesting that the method this hero was left with was the best option for dealing with and armed killer?
     
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    Good for him for doing something. Most folks wont
     
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    Who knows? Sometimes, people who are armed don't fire a shot. I remember an interview from the shooting in Arizona. Guy was carrying, but didn't even draw his weapon, iirc. Too many people and too much confusion. Gun advocates pointed to him as an example of good critical thinking, which I agreed with at the time.

    Point is simply that you can't say for sure that a gun would have helped or not. Maybe so. Who knows? All I know for sure is that this guy and the others who helped him saved lives. The bad guy here was loading his shotgun. Had he finished, he would have shot more people.

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    So you would have gone overseas with just a bayonet and a CS grenade?

    If I had been there as an LEO with all the "tools" on my belt which one do you think I should have used?

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    Are you saying that a random, active shooter situation is equivalent to being in a warzone? Come on, Tgace. Going to college isn't the same as being a cop or being a soldier. We do not yet live in a military state. I hope we never do.
     
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    You "come on"...the snide commentary here is alluding that you don't need a gun to defend yourself against an active shooter because "look this guy did it with pepper spray"...as some sort of jibe against gun rights supporters.

    This guy was brave and lucky and had to go up against a shooter all but bare handed because that was all he had. Military state? Hyperbole much? How about a country with a 2nd Amendment? Lets start there.

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    I'm not trying to politicize this at all. I'm acknowledging the facts of what happened. I'm saying he is a hero.

    You're the one saying he was a hero, but....

    And, frankly, these are kids at a college. They are not soldiers or policemen. So, yeah. Come on, Tgace. Military state looks a lot like what you are describing. We have the right to bear arms, but I'm pretty sure it's not mandatory... Yet.

    And there is no evidence that, in this situation, a gun would have made any difference.

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    It worked. Other tools might also have worked--and maybe he could've simply tackled the guy.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Then again, maybe he goes to tackle the guy and gets thumped across the nose and eyes with the butt of the gun and the shooter reloads and continues his spree, shooting the would be tackler first.
     
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    Most ppl will do nothing. This guy was brave and lucky.
     
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    Naa most people will record it on cell phones and post it on the internet
     
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    Thanks for the wise input.
     
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    no prob Im here to help
     
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    Oh brother. We may as well be playing dungeons and dragons at this point. In the real world, it happened the way it actually happened.

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