Ni hao Michael, Yeah, I admit that I may be reading you all wrong. Furthermore, I was offensive and for that, I do apologise. I interpreted your comments as mean-spirited and am willing to concede that I could have been misinterpreting your intentions. I take back several of my adversarial remarks and furthermore, I bow to you. From you position, you are offering Ishinryu Guy and mtabone the absolute truth. Not holding your punches nor having the patience to mince words. You're being true to yourself and I do respect that. It may not matter to you if I challenge the tone of your delivery, since it's just my opinion anyway, but shouldn't we encourage the guy to discover something about the essence of jianfa? "Sorry, you're wrong and it won't work", is so discouraging. I've been on the receiving end of that attitude several times myself. Like Ishinryu Guy, I was excited to drop by E-Budo.com and Kendo forum, since I had trained in Japanese systems, many years ago. My intention was to communicate and share ideas. Despite to complex gap in methodologies, I believed we could connect and mutually bennifit from the exchange. The reaction to any discussion of Korean or Chinese swordsmanship was laced with sarcasm, arrogance and condescension. I may have been projecting some of my frustration about this kind of miscommunication, onto this thread? If so, I have done you a disservice. Yes, people do want to hear what they want to hear (especially if it's quick and easy to package). I guess I over-reacted to the abrupt force of your message? I've never been one to through the baby out, with the bath water. Say Ishinryu Guy memorizes half a dozen Chinese jian sword forms, from various systems? He does it "just for fun." He will obviously develop some errors in posture, which can lead to the corruption of the correct techniques. He will likely, even if only initially, overlay the body-mechanics of his own tradition upon any "Chines straight sword" form. Without a qualified 3rd party to point out and then correct these mistakes, something precious gets lost in the translation. I definitely agree with you but I feel this man deserves to explore the external movements, even in mimicry, given the lack of any local instruction. I still think he should pursue the DVD approach, since he is already doing so, because there is enough material there to ignite a genuine hunger for a closer look. The occasional seminar event, possibly leading to deeper and far deeper levels of study? With any luck, an authentic school will open near his home, sometime in the not-too-distant future. You feel he will learn nothing of true value or significance from DVDs. I feel he will learn enough to profoundly inspire him to search further. Let's agree to disagree on this topic. OK? As for the person who started this thread, I hope he returns to this forum for further exchanges and discussions. Unless I'm grossly mistaken, all are welcome to participate. Yes? Zai jian, Jon.