Lets jettison the insane asylum!

[billc]

That's just the thing. He disagrees with me. I accept that. Post your own thoughts, your way, in your own threads, as many as you like as long as you don't break the rules or are rude or impolite. Or, and this is just as fine, come to my threads and post the things that you think should be posted. Don't expect me to agree with you just because "Everyone knows..." but post what you want, on my threads, the way you want. Be a grown up. Stop complaining.

Sorkin is a hard left guy, and he made the character a Republican because he thinks that makes his hard left agenda more acceptable. Amazing that he didn't make the guy a Democrat who decries the democrat party, the labor unions, or the NAACP or Jesse Jackson and their attacks on the republicans and the country isn't it? Instead the "Republican" commentator attacks the Tea Party. Wow, that was original wasn't it. You agree with this, I don't. Go post on it yourself.

 

[elder999]

OK my questions has been answered...its all about bill

Like I said earlier, no, it's not-we have this "get rid of the Study" thing every couple of years, especially election years. While I don't care for Billy's posting style, or his "go to guys," or his copy-pastas, or his dogmatism, or how he seems to be factually challenged, or ignores proven facts that contradict him, it's not about him-I've been accused of picking on him, but I just can't stand it when people refuse to acknowledge proven facts-if I really wanted to pick on him, I'd be pursuing his threads all over the place, instead of pointedly ignoring some, and simply ridiculing others.....fact is, though, if we look at the Study, there's very little discussion going on, and very few threads that aren't political in nature-I'd enjoy some discussion around ethical or philosphical issues, and occasionally scientific ones (get that enough at the damn dinner table, even, dammit...:lfao: ) I enjoy discussing the political issues of the day, but on that, we've all mostly had our minds made up for us, and the "arguments" just get stale, and go around and around-witness the whole "abortion" thing in the "Romney picks Ryan" thread, which really just looked like this:

It's a baby!
It's a fetus!
t's a baby!
It's a fetus!
It's a baby!
It's a fetus!
It's a baby!
It's a fetus!
Baby!Fetus!Baby!Fetus!

Without even getting into the all around ethical issues, because, as far as the "It's a baby!" side goes, that settles it, and anyone (me) who even says, Hey, wait a minute-this fetus can't be a "baby," it's lungs won't work" is accused of "jumping through hoops to justify abortion," when they've already repeatedly stated their opposition to abortion on ethical grounds., and were just stating that one couldn't (scientifically) call a "fetus" a "baby."

Maybe Tgace is right-maybe we shouldn't bother talking to each other, since our minds are already made up-as in, completely closed. :angry:


It's not "about Billy," it's about quality in general.

 

[Chris Parker]

Actually, I don't think I have ever mentioned Jeff Bridges in a post. This is a great example of me stating my "opinion," on the subject and people not agreeing with it so I am a troll for discussing it.

then there is this...

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/sh...ike-southerners-but-see-my-movie-anyway/page4

Post #49

Well, here is more on HBO a whole network that doesn't seem to like the U.S. How can you tell, well the programming for one thing...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollyw...Not-The-Greatest-Country-In-The-World-Anymore

HBO gets dinged for the hit job on Sarah Palin, having a show that playfully puts Bush's head on a pike and now Jeff Daniels and Aaron Sorkin make a whole show that shows a great dislike for the United States. Not the best of moves with the competition from Redbox and Netflix getting more and more intense...

I don't ignore those posts, I disagree with those posts and go on to post what I think and the opinions and research that I agree with. I will not be brow beaten into agreeing with something I believe is false or wrong just because "Everybody Knows..." when they actually don't know.

The character in the Sorkin show is written as being a Republican because they are trying to pretend to be "fair and objective," by having a Republican go on diatribes against Republicans. Yeah, that's fair and balanced. Oh wait, would that be my opinion, I guess it would be.

You don't often actually say you disagree. You say that whoever is giving different facts and information is wrong, and here's more of the same (ultra-right-wing ultra-conservative scare-mongering website unsubstantiated opinion) to back it up. Nowhere do you express an independent thought or opinion, you simply regurgitate what these extremist political commentators (who, again, freely admit that their job is to entertain, not inform) as facts, when frankly Bill, they ain't.

 

[billc]

You mean Jeff Daniels, yeah, I mentioned him. Jeff Bridges is from True Grit and the Tron movie. He did recently defend Clint Eastwood's appearence at the RNC though.

Yeah, if I think someone is wrong I'll say "Your wrong," then it is there decision to 1) prove me wrong in their postings, 2)imply I am a troll 3) ignore me and post about TKD 4) ignore me and move on with their life instead of complaining about the study.

 

[shesulsa]

Thread: Lets jettison the...
This is a really self-centered post.You want others 2 grow up but this has got to be one of the most juvenile responses I've ever read from you; even tho we rarely agree, I'm disappointed in its quality. Why so sensitive? - shesulsa09-06-2012 10:33 PM

Yeah, thanks guys for demonstrating what whiners and complainers you are...

Bill:

Discussion of reputation in open forum is against the rules.
Comments made in reputation are considered private communication and posting them without permission is against the rules.
Giving retaliatory reputation (rep wars) is also against the rules.

You have turned the discussion of a section of this board into a discussion about you. I stand by my comment - standing on a soapbox in a room with a bullhorn spouting your opinion louder and louder and louder is not discussion. Making the entire study discussion about you and your posting habits? This is thread-hijack and it's ALSO against the rules. It *absolutely is* self-serving, it *absolutely is* juvenile.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU - IT IS ABOUT A SECTION OF THE BOARD YOU VISIT. IT IS ABOUT A BUSINESS DECISION FOR THE OWNER, IT IS ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY FORUM AND WHETHER OR NOT IT SERVES ITS PURPOSE TO MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF MARTIAL ARTISTS WHO VISIT HERE.

NOT YOU.

Get it?

Not you, not me, not any single user. It is about this site and Bill, THIS SITE IT NOT ABOUT YOU.

I'm done with this discussion. Not because I'm "childish" or "not tough" but because I understand that the definition of insanity is continuing the same behavior and expecting different results. I don't expect your toxic behavior to change and I refuse to sacrifice my good air and energy on the lost cause of egoism.

 

[Chris Parker]

Ah... yep, Jeff Daniels. Okay, that was me screwing up... good catch.

 

[billc]

Hmmm...Friedrich Hayek, though he was in a rap video on economics, is hardly an "entertainer," but he did win the Nobel Prize in economics. Thomas Sowell, another person I quote, one of many of a very diverse pool of thinkers, isn't an entertainer either. I use a lot of people when I cite articles. I cite Fred Singer, not an entertainer, a meterologist and author, who wrote " Unstoppable Global Warming, evert 1,500 years." So please, I use many different, highly credentialed sources, and other sources, like Breitbart and PJmedia. Breitbart does the job the main stream media won't.

Breitbart covered the fact that the democrats removed the word God from their platform and then held three votes on the floor and still voted down including God in the platform. The mayor of Los Angeles, who didn't know what to do, just said the ayes have it, when they didn't have it. The main stream media, ABC, CBS, NBC didn't cover the most dramatic moment at the DNC because it would have embarrassed the DNC and would have alienated the minority voters in the democrat party who are more religious than the DNC delegates. That is why I cite conservative media alternative sites.

Face it. You don't like what I post, or how I post it, and it really irritates you that I won't stop because you say I should.

 

[billc]

Yeah Shesulsa, tell it to someone who believes you. You and pg smith bad rep me and do it where people can't see it. You guys are sooooo...brave, and mature.

I apologize for breaking of those rules. I didn't mean to do it, not realizing it was against the rules to post it. I am sure you will also chastize the others who have continued "hijacking" this thread.

 

[Chris Parker]

Hmmm...Friedrich Hayek, though he was in a rap video on economics, is hardly an "entertainer," but he did win the Nobel Prize in economics. Thomas Sowell, another person I quote, one of many of a very diverse pool of thinkers, isn't an entertainer either. I use a lot of people when I cite articles. I cite Fred Singer, not an entertainer, a meterologist and author, who wrote " Unstoppable Global Warming, evert 1,500 years." So please, I use many different, highly credentialed sources, and other sources, like Breitbart and PJmedia. Breitbart does the job the main stream media won't.

Breitbart covered the fact that the democrats removed the word God from their platform and then held three votes on the floor and still voted down including God in the platform. The mayor of Los Angeles, who didn't know what to do, just said the ayes have it, when they didn't have it. The main stream media, ABC, CBS, NBC didn't cover the most dramatic moment at the DNC because it would have embarrassed the DNC and would have alienated the minority voters in the democrat party who are more religious than the DNC delegates. That is why I cite conservative media alternative sites.

Face it. You don't like what I post, or how I post it, and it really irritates you that I won't stop because you say I should.

I'm talking of the Breitbart style internet and radio commentators here. Rush Limbaugh admitted it point blank when caught saying something particularly nasty, and it goes across the board of that ilk. But the point is that yeah, I don't like a lot of what you post. Not because of your posting it, but more down to who you're posting. Because I really don't have much of a clue about you, yourself, Bill. You let these overblown voices speak for you, so I really don't know how to take you. It smacks to me of someone with no ability to have an independent thought, or apply any critical reasoning or thinking... but I don't have anything to base that on either, as you haven't shown enough in any direction to say if you have such traits. The thing is, though, whether I like the opinions you post or not isn't the biggest problem, and really, I have no issue with you posting them, especially if they are what you truly believe. My issue is that you post them, then don't debate. You just negate what anyone else says and continue with more of the same. You don't have to stop, but you really should look at what a "DISCUSSION" forum is... because you're missing the "discussion" part of it. You put up good material that can lead to good discussions from both sides, but there is no engagement. And, in a nutshell, that is why people have a problem with your posting style.

I will say, though, that I'm glad you put down what you martial arts background is here, as frankly, from all your time on a martial arts board, I didn't have much of a clue. How about you come out and see the rest of us where there's daylight once in a while, yeah?

 

[ballen0351]

Bill:

Discussion of reputation in open forum is against the rules.
Comments made in reputation are considered private communication and posting them without permission is against the rules.
Giving retaliatory reputation (rep wars) is also against the rules.

You have turned the discussion of a section of this board into a discussion about you. I stand by my comment - standing on a soapbox in a room with a bullhorn spouting your opinion louder and louder and louder is not discussion. Making the entire study discussion about you and your posting habits? This is thread-hijack and it's ALSO against the rules. It *absolutely is* self-serving, it *absolutely is* juvenile.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU - IT IS ABOUT A SECTION OF THE BOARD YOU VISIT. IT IS ABOUT A BUSINESS DECISION FOR THE OWNER, IT IS ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY FORUM AND WHETHER OR NOT IT SERVES ITS PURPOSE TO MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF MARTIAL ARTISTS WHO VISIT HERE.

NOT YOU.

Get it?

Not you, not me, not any single user. It is about this site and Bill, THIS SITE IT NOT ABOUT YOU.

I'm done with this discussion. Not because I'm "childish" or "not tough" but because I understand that the definition of insanity is continuing the same behavior and expecting different results. I don't expect your toxic behavior to change and I refuse to sacrifice my good air and energy on the lost cause of egoism.

So you used an entire post aimed at someone to tell them its not about them?

 

[Sukerkin]

See what the problem is yet?

 

[billc]

You need to look more closely at my posts on the other side. The martial arts side is slow in most of the areas that I am most interested in. The FMA threads just don't have much going on. I like the General Self-defense thread, but again, not much going on. All summer long I posted movie reviews in the rec room. I also list the books I read in the Library. Last night, in looking at Dirty Dog posting in the sword thread, I found something to comment on. I post on what is interesting to me on the martial arts side, but how often can you post about things that aren't moving? I also studied Mugai Ryu iaido for 6 years but you don't see a lot moving on Iaido either, or japanese sword arts in general.

 

[billc]

I have about 8 threads in the rec room, and no one even acknowledges that, it is just the study they want to complain about. Keep in mind, I do not bring politics into the other threads on Martial talk, not even the movie threads. I will talk about movies and T.V. but not from a political point of view. If there is a political point of view I bring it to the study. Or try to anyway.

And I rarely mention limbaugh or beck or hannity for that matter. I prefer Breitbart and PJmedia and powerlineblog.com and Hotair.com.

If I was interested in TKD it seems like there might be something to post on there. But I'm not. So I can't.:wink:

 

[Chris Parker]

Then start some discussions in the martial art sections. Ask about differences between Mugai Ryu and Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu/Muso Shinden Ryu, and how the Seitei version of Nukiuchi is different to the way you were taught in Mugai Ryu. Talk about your experiences in FMA, what you like, what you don't, what you found to be a positive in your training, your favourite drills etc. Go to the Kempo technical area and hash things out with the guys there... I've done that a number of times.

This is a martial arts forum... if you're a prominent member (and you are, Bill), and no-one has a clue what martial arts you do, that's saying something. And it's not a good something.

 

[billc]

I just double checked, the Sorkin thread was a T.V. show discussion but because it was political in nature I posted it in the study.

 

[Chris Parker]

Yeah, as I said Bill, what you're posting isn't really the issue, it's how you go about it, both in the initial posting and the follow up. If you want to discuss political issues stemming from TV shows, or movies, you're more than free to... but realize that others will see such posts and point out that you're looking for an agenda where one doesn't necessarily exist. So be aware of what you're starting. If everything is "Hollywood hates America, they only like Democrats, us poor Republicans are the victims... have you seen Batman? It's all about OWS!", then it gets tires pretty quickly. And it gets tired even quicker when you don't hear any argument from anyone.

 

[billc]

They can look up my preferences under my name, and I have posted on those subjects before. However, those topics still don't move, and my real love right now, well since the 1980's, has been the FMA, but it isn't my job to post just to post to make the martial side more popular. How about the list of characters I mentioned, if they are the ones so hard on for the martial arts side, they should be the ones leading the way by posting tons of material on the martial arts side, thus creating a list of recent posts on the martial arts side that overshadows the tiny Study side...but they don't, do they. Instead of doing what you suggest, and what they are arguing for and condemning me for...they don't do it themselves...and yet, I need to take their criticism of me seriously. I like you chris parker, I head over to the sword arts side sometime today and post some more to try and get it moving, that is where my passion for the arts really is...but so is politics...it is martial arts without the pain or travel time or the tuition payments. If you want to talk anything sword related, I'll pay more attention and we can start talking sword arts and FMA.

As a side note...as the character Cain says, from the Heroes Die Series, "nobody ever just asks me...they always think they have to bully me." Then he goes on to cause several wars and kill a bunch of people. The second book was interesting when it focused on the Acting school where he recieved his training.

 

[jks9199]

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