Tgace said:Now you bouncers out there dont take this the wrong way, but IMO bouncers should be there to ID, stop fights and intervene only when necessary. When it comes to removing somebody that isnt a danger to the other patrons, they should ask the person to leave and if they refuse, tell them, threaten them with trespass charges or talk them out if possible. If that fails call the police and have them remove them or charge them with trespass. Ive arrested bouncers for assault because they laid hands on somebody to eject them and then put the boots to them once they were on the sidewalk outside. Some (not all) bouncers Ive dealt with have "issues" regarding ego, attitude and being "tough guys". Now this poor man in no way "asked" or deserved to be stabbed, but physically tossing somebody out for smoking? Isnt a dangerous enough event to warrant the risk IMO...call the police.
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Tom,
I agree it is best to ask and guide them out the door.
But, here in Michigan there is no state Trespass law, and there were no local trespass laws where I worked either. And I almost always called the police first. Yet, almsot always their response time was lacking, as they were busy elsewhere. So, the incident would escalate, and I had just as many issues with the police and ego's. Some, that even told me that I had not seen what
I had seen, as they did not want to do the paper work. Now this is no way a representation of all police officers. You see, most of the time to police would stand there and tell me that I was supposed to just stand by and let the guy beat the woman or the teenage girl. Or I was supposed to stand there while four or more guys beat on a guy already on the ground. I took it as my responcibility to another human being to get involved and possible save a life, then to jsut stand by.
Yet, I agree, in most cases, there are ego's involved with bouncers, and it is best to call the police, and to let others handle it, as the situation is not out of hand. Yet, sometimes, ther are situations, that require action. And to just let you know, I was never arrested, only questioned, so I guess I choose my battles well.
Getting involved with the court system is lengthy and expensive, even if you are innocent and or jsut a witness, or possible suspect. Call the police, give them a chance to react, and respond, and only get involved if it is a life or death or serious bodily harm situation. At least that is my opinion and experience.