Kempo karate?

Discussion in 'Kenpo / Kempo - Technical Discussion' started by Blade96, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. yorkshirelad

    yorkshirelad Master Black Belt

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    Mind boggling!! American Kenpo, Kenpo Karate, Kempo Karate, Chinese Kenpo. Who cares what it's called? just train!! Put all semantics aside and just train!!
    We know that the Japanese are a little crazy, but aren't we all. Yes the Japanese changed the word "China" to mean the word "empty", they also tried to rip off the shaolin arts with Shorinji Kempo and got into a legal battle over it. I hear that if you go to "certain parts" (wink wink) of Tokyo, there is a vending machine where you can buy soiled panties along with a photo of the girl that soiled them. A little odd you may say, but look at us in the good old US. Most people would rather know who won American Idol than who won the Presidential election. Again, a little odd, but just like the Japanese we have understandable quirks.

    End of rant!!
     
  2. namelekane4

    namelekane4 White Belt

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    You are right nobody knew what it really was until they would see a small demo between schools. Then people that were present would say ah, so that is Kenpo as GGM(Professa) Chow would say yes to.
     
  3. Touch Of Death

    Touch Of Death Sr. Grandmaster

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    If there is a Sun Source, why not Korea?:ultracool
     
  4. namelekane4

    namelekane4 White Belt

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    First of all I would not worry about the Black Gi, I would worry more of the extent of trainning that you recieved. If you feel that this dojo is like a McDojo than leave. But if you feel that you are benefitting from this Dojo, then I would stick around for a while. Maybe you got the Gi at an early stage because of your experience with Shotokan. If you are confused I would ask questions to the Kenpo/Kempo instructor that you are studying under. Questions should never hurt.
     
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    Gi style, belt color, belt names, terms, system names and paper on the wall does not make legit a system, style, school or instructor.
    Legit is simply the end product. On a high level of expertise can an advanced student do what he is supposed to.
    Many of todays martial artists are hung up on the wrong things.
     
  6. punisher73

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    Actually, it was a meeting of okinawan masters who decided to change the characters of how kara-te was written. Phonetically, they are both pronounsed the same way just as reed or read. So, the change was made to call it "empty hand" instead of "china hand". Many of the okinawan kata names were changed as well to be "more japanese" by Funakoshi.

    Also, correct is the denial by many top japanese instructors that kara-te originated in China. Much like the Koreans denying their japanese roots.

    As a side note, ask some okinawans the difference between okinawan karate and japanese karate and you will be told their is only "karate" and "japanese karate". They view their art as the foundation and pure and don't want it compared to what the japanese sylists do.

    So the point? Everyone in the history of martial arts has changed the names of what they do and where it came from to reflect cultural or personal changes. This type of legit or non-legit was happening back in the day between Motobu and Funakoshi of what was being taught not being "real karate" etc. Nothing new under the sun.
     
  7. Blindside

    Blindside Senior Master

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    As a complete aside, and because it just before lunch and I am hungry....

    The tomato is a new world crop.

    The potato is also a new world crop, and since you are garnishing it with ketchup, we are back to the tomato again.

    Irish, Chinese, Italian, Peruvian, meh, I call it pan-world fusion.

    As for the kenpo thing, the Kanji on the Parker IKKA patch translates to "tang hand" rather than "empty hand."
     
  8. Touch Of Death

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    Um, the Chinese invented Katsi tup, as a fish sauce, but I don't think it had tomato in it.
    Sean
     
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    Blindside Senior Master

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    I had no idea, the wikipedia entry on ketchup is pretty interesting, it has about 3 origin theories.
     
  10. backyardkempo.com

    backyardkempo.com White Belt

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    Truth be told - originally the Okinawans would travel to China so they could learn Chuan Fa (拳法) and would return to Okinawa and teach it as Kempo (拳法) which is merely 2 different ways to pronounce the same word which translates to Fist Law or Fist Method. The Okinawans also had some native methods that they simply called Te (手), which means hand. Alternatively, the Okinawans would also refer to Kempo as Karate (唐手) which means Chinese Hand - to denote the origination of the method.

    In the 1920s, Choki Motubu a Kempo Man knocked out a Russian Heavyweight Boxing Champ in an exhibition match in Japan. This peaked interest in the Okinawan Martial Art in Japan Gichin Funikoshi was sent as an Ambassador of the art. Gichin was not chosen because he was the most skilled but rather because of his knowledge of Japanese culture and diplomatic skill. The decision was made to call the art Karate (空手) empty hand to remove all Chinese references because of the extreme nationalism prevalent in Japan leading up to WWII.
     
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    ChuanFa would be mandarin. Kuen Fat would be cantonese.

    -R
     
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    An unintentional good example perhaps? Spaghetti is sorta Italian for Chinese noodles which were first. Much like Kempo is Japanese for Chuanfa - Kenpo.
     

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