Jui-jitsu and Kuatsu

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  1. frank raud

    frank raud Master Black Belt

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    I have been collecting martial arts books for a long time, just got a copy of this book in the mail, and at first glance I am impressed by the size of this beast. 915 pages long. And yes, jui-jitsu is how it is spelled out on the cover. It is on the art(s) of Professor Kam Hock Hoe. Should keep me entertained until the next book comes in the mail(next week).
     
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    That looks like it's going to be a really interesting read. (I just googled it) Let us know about it.
     
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    At that size it should keep you occupied until 2019!
     
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    I did some googling and found some history on Mr. Hoe and his art and organization, but nothing on a book with that title. Where did you find it?
     
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    Online from a bookstore in Australia. Postage cost more than the book.
     
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    Definitely post a review once you get through it.
     
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    That's a normal sized business card leaning against the book
     

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    Sounds interesting. I look forward to your review. Since I don't plan to wait until 2019 when you finish the book, I'm hoping you'll have a review of the first 200 pages, or something. :p
     
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    Found a former student of this style of jui jitsu, who has a judo background and a is a black belt in the same style of jiu jitsu as me. Last night we started a conversation on comparisons, will be interesting to have him help explain the techniques in the book.
     
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    Oh, nice find! That's my favorite kind of discussion in MA.
     
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    So, I haven't finished the book yet, but from what I have read and in discussion with a former student of the style, it is an interesting style. many of the throws have the obvious intention of having uke land on his head. The book does take some deciphering, as with only two pictures per throw and a short paragraph or sentence to describe the sequence, information is minimal. The book was published for the students of the style, not to attempt to teach to non students. Once you get past the section on breakfalls, each technique gets usually one page for explanation. With 915 pages, you can imagine there are a lot of techniques1
     
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    Holy crap, Frank. Are they really quite different techniques, or are there a lot of variations? I know in some Japanese styles, they have distinctions of "technique" that are very different from what we use. We only have 50 "official" techniques in NGA, and maybe a dozen or so others that I teach beyond that (that doesn't include strikes and blocks, for some reason we've never called those "techniques").

    Is the style similar enough to something you're familiar with to make the book reasonably intelligible, being that sparse? I'm quite interested in tracking a copy down, myself, if I might be able to follow along with a significant portion. Something new to tinker with, you know?
     
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    From what I've seen so far, they are different techniques. Looking at the index, there are only a few instances where it show "technique x ver 1" and "technique x ver 2". The throwing stance seems to be fairly consistent(low and wide), so with previous knowledge of jiu jitsu, I think someone could figure at least some of it out.
     
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