JKD Question

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  1. MFC__2020

    MFC__2020 Yellow Belt

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    Hello,
    Wing Chun, Boxing, Fencing
    Was there any other martial arts that influenced the ORIGINAL/Bruces, style of JKD?
     
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    Maybe Kung Fu? To be honest I'm not sure as I don't train Jeet Kun Do.
     
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    All of them. Plus others.Plus his personal experiences.
    There is no style called "Kung Fu". This is wrong, general name for all Chinese martial arts.

    Do not answer questions if you do not know the answer.
     
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    Ok! Sorry.
     
  5. Ivan

    Ivan Purple Belt

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    Karate, and Chacha dance moves. Much of his footwork was inspired by his experience with Cha Cha dancing. He also took on an apprentice who was a black belt in Karate and both learnt a lot from each other.
    Lastly, there is rumours that many of his kicks come from Taekwondo, but I've not seen any sources to confirm this.
     
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  6. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    He also trained with Gene LeBell (Judo). And he also studied a lot of philosophy
     
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    Tez3 Sr. Grandmaster

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    He offered a suggestion, it shows he is interested in the subject and there's absolutely no reason why he can't join in the conversation, your comment is rude.
     
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    Cynik75 Orange Belt

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    It is really rude to say that my comment is rude.
    I will cry all night.
     
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    Tez3 Sr. Grandmaster

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    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
     
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    MFC__2020 Yellow Belt

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    I heard people say that Taekwondo and Judo were practiced by Bruce.
     
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    I think most people who spend more than just a few years in MA will have some degree of exposure to a ton of different arts. I don't really think Bruce Lee actually trained in TKD, but would be surprised if he hadn't been shown how to do a few TKD-style kicks.
     
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    I agree. He probably gained inspiration for JKD from this
     
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    yak sao Senior Master

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    I remember hearing he and Jhoon Rhee (sp?) were good friends.
     
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    Kung Fu Wang Grandmaster

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    I have heard that the Gong Li Chuan was the last form that Bruce Lee had learned in Hong Kong.

     
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    frank raud Master of Arts

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    According to Paul Vunak

    1) Wing chun
    2) Northern praying mantis
    3) Southern praying mantis
    4) Choy li fut
    5) Taiji (wu family style)
    6) Bagua
    7) Xingyi
    8) Bak-hoo pai (white crane) and bak-fu pai (white tiger)
    9) Eagle claw
    10) Ng ga kuen (five family system)
    11) Ny ying ga (five animal system)
    12) Bak mei pai (white eyebrow)
    13) Northern shaolin
    14) Southern shaolin
    15) Bok pai
    16) Law horn kuen
    17) Chinna
    18) Monkey
    19) Drunken
    20) Western fencing (foil)
    21) Boxing
    22) Wrestling
    23) Jiujutsu
    24) Eskrima
    25) Sikaran
    26) Muay thai
     
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    I wonder how he defines all these methods as having an influence on JKD. This is a big list, these are systems that require serious study in order to understand on a meaningful level. One cannot just observe them a bit, ponder them on an intellectual basis, and then “work in the elements” with any honest claim to an influence.
     
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    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    As far as actually studied, not observed or read about, all I can find is Wing Chun, Fencing, Boxing and Judo. I find Paul Vunak list rather hard to believe since Bruce started in Hong Kong at about 13 and came to the USA in 1959 a the age of 19 and died at 33 only 14 year later. And teachers in Hong Kong at that time were big on the idea of cross training, you were their student or you were not. Also the culture was not much different in Chinatown in the 50s and 60s.And many of those on that list, would not have been found with anyone other than a Chinese Shifu in the 50s and 60s

    So it is highly unlikely he actually trained all of these; Wing chun, Northern praying mantis, Southern praying mantis, Choy li fut, Taiji (wu family style), Baguazhang, Xingyiquan, Bak-hoo pai (white crane) and bak-fu pai (white tiger), Eagle claw, Ng ga kuen (five family system), Ny ying ga (five animal system), Bak mei pai (white eyebrow), Northern shaolin, Southern shaolin, Bok pai, Law horn kuen, Monkey, Drunken. As for QInna, it is part of a lot of CMA styles and it is found in Judo too.

    Note: Paul Vunak was a student of Dan Inosanto
     
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    According to Dan Inasanto many of these styles did not provide techniques. Instead they where influential because of a training method, philosophy, conditioning method, or what not to do. JKD can be described as a search for the common thread.

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    Personally I think the addition of fencing is a giant mistake. Especially for modern times...who can walk around with a sword?
     
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    I agree. Bruce did not actively train in many arts (maybe four or five) but did educate himself on many more .

    The value of fencing in the study of combat is not limited to using a sword. Lines of attack, beats, deflections, control of space and distance, development of speed and reflexes and a number of other fencing concepts can be applied to empty hand fighting. Read the top quote again.123
     
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