Hi, as my post count indicates, I am quite new here. I posted a thread in the Meet & Greet forum that can be found here, for those who are interested: http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66490 Since writing that, I have done a fair amount of lurking and reading, trying to gather information. Sadly, in a sense, some of what I have read has confirmed my suspicions and ended some dreams I have had for a number of years. Specifically, I had long wanted to learn ninjutsu, and Stephen K. Hayes was always about 40-45 minutes away, when time and money made that a possibility. I even stopped by the dojo a few months before my deployment, hoping to take lessons when I returned. Since that visit, something didn't sit quite right, although I couldn't put my finger on it. In reading all that I could on the subject, it seems to me that the concern there is to be a commercial success, first and foremost. I walked away feeling not impressed with what I saw. I mean no disprespect toward Mr. Hayes, his art, or his dojo, but that visit, along with everything I have read, leads me to the conclusion that I wouldn't be a good fit there, and I would feel as though I am clearly not getting my money's worth in return. Now (deep breath) with that out of the way, and hopefully having not offended the To-Shin Do practitioners too badly, I am still very interested in ninjutsu. Whether I will go straight into it, or finish my Kenpo black belt first, I am unsure. I was mildly, yet pleasantly surprised to find an actual Bujinkan dojo in Dayton. It costs far less and is even about 10 minutes closer to me! http://www.daytonbujinkan.com/index.html Now, for the insights I am asking for. Even though it is a licensed Bujinkan school, I realize that not all schools and instructors are top notch. So, has anyone had any experience here? Are any of the instructors familiar to other practitioners? I know that, Hatsumi Soke aside, at least a couple of the names they list as "Budo Mentors" under the adult training heading popped up favorably when I was viewing threads, but I don't know that those automatically translate to a good instructor staff. Any thoughts, opinions and insights are greatly appreciated.