Help with the Spin Hook/Back Kicks

Discussion in 'Members in Motion' started by Ivan, Jan 5, 2021.

  1. Ivan

    Ivan Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    403
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    98
    My club trains in two variants of the Spin Back Kick. One is spinning whilst keeping the kicking leg straight - I have issues doing this one on both legs as I can't seem to keep it straight for the full rotation and I would like your help to correct this.

    The other is the Spin Hook Kick - you start the spin with your leg chambered, extend it when you see your target and execute a normal hook kick whilst you're spinning, and then land.

    I seem to be mixing these kicks into some sort of hybrid kick. I start off with my leg straight, and because I can't seem to keep it straight I end up doing a hook kick. I have a video of myself below doing it. I was hoping for some advice on the following points:
    • How do I keep my leg straight for the full rotation?
    • How can I practice this kick consecutively? - I start to get dizzy and it completely throws off my balance
    • How do I improve my overall balance?
    • Should I be kicking my root foot flat or on my toes?
    I personally feel like my normal hook kick is good enough to move up these variations of the kick. I will post a video of me doing the hook kick too so I can receive some criticism and iron out any flaws before dedicating myself to this kick.



    Any advice, criticisms, feedback is welcomed and appreciated. Please don't feel the need to spare my ego, and feel free to put it bluntly. Thanks guys :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. drop bear

    drop bear Sr. Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2014
    Messages:
    19,898
    Likes Received:
    5,083
    Trophy Points:
    308
    For the straight leg kick. Kick longer. So pretend your target is further away and reach forwards. This will push your hips and straighten your leg.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  3. jobo

    jobo Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2017
    Messages:
    9,335
    Likes Received:
    1,424
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    tie a sweeping brush handle to your leg,

    or at least try kicking a target that is exactly one straight leg distance a away that way you should naturally correct or youl miss
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  4. dvcochran

    dvcochran Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2017
    Messages:
    6,031
    Likes Received:
    1,776
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Southeast U.S.
    I think what you are describing is most often called a spinning wheel kick. There are several variants and it is taught different ways. In WT training the leg/foot motion is described as a bell curve. I like this description but for most people the trailing slope is not as steep. Picture the curve drawn on the floor, not the wall. It is paramount that the upper body turns With the kick; a little lead is okay but the shoulders should not be way ahead of the foot. Flexibility drives this quite a bit. Shoulders leading too much or not enough is a common problem for people who have trouble recovering or maintaining control of the kicking leg post contact. Equally important is to keep rotating on the standing foot, on the ball not the heel. If it gets locked in place finishing the kick it tough.
    For practice and perfecting technique work the kick lower where you are in a comfortable range for your flexibility. Get the motion down first, not worrying about height. Remember, the force and strike of the kick is traveling Horizontal, then wanes off the peak of the curve. The velocity of the leg 'helps' the body recover to a start/guard position but should not be totally dependent on it.
    It is a totally different motion from a hook kick even though the foot is positioned the same.

    As far as the dizziness; anyone is going to get dizzy if they do enough kick consecutively. One thing that helps with any spinning kick is to get your eyes around and focused on a point (usually the target). Never let your eyes 'float' through the arc with the leg.

    Balance has a Lot to do with muscle strength. Doing kicks slowly helps with coordination, tone and balance. Very similar to how dancers practice.

    The heel of the root foot is off the ground just enough to spin on the ball of the foot. Never high so that it feels like the ankle may twist. When the rotation is complete place the heel back on the floor.

    Stay at it.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Useful Useful x 1
  5. _Simon_

    _Simon_ Senior Master

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2018
    Messages:
    3,168
    Likes Received:
    1,474
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Location:
    Australia
    This is such a thorough and awesome guide, great post @dvcochran :)
     
    • Like Like x 2
  6. drop bear

    drop bear Sr. Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2014
    Messages:
    19,898
    Likes Received:
    5,083
    Trophy Points:
    308


    Just so he gets the idea.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  7. oftheherd11

    oftheherd11 Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2020
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    8
    I would discourage turning the trunk to start the move. It telegraphs the move. The first time I saw a hook side kick it started out like a side kick. Then suddenly it moved a little to the left with the kicker's leg bent very slightly, but straightening at the last movement and landing in the opponent's stomach. We all sat there dumbfounded and asking each other what we just saw. It was very effective.

    Many years later I learned taking a step forward and spinning on the forward-stepping leg, and dropping during the turn. We also dropped forward on our hands so a lot less time and energy needed to be expended on balance (a lot of work with pushups helps control during recovery). Later I learned to take a very small step to just in front of my (what then was my rear foot) and dropping. The kicking leg can be swung outward and back for more momentum or sent straight to a falling side kick that is also a hook kick.

    Sorry I have no video as I am sure my explanations are confusing.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Dark Sovereign 193

    Dark Sovereign 193 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2021
    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Downtown Coolsville
    You would have to keep your leg extended outwards longer123
     

Share This Page