Curious about the differences in judo\jjj and bjj.

so when will you get there, by the time your 90 ?

your now at an age when things start to get worse rather than better

 

No. You actually don't understand the concept.

Here is the relationship between break dancing and how it improves BJJ.

Two Cultures Collide: How Break Dancing Helped Improve My Jiu Jitsu Skills | Chris Ramos' Story

Doing two sports hasn't divided his focus. It has increased his depth.

 

Then I would not be improving consistently.

 

Not really the point.

 

Its not a study though. It is an example.

And I can appeal to authority if that is in the guys field of expertise.

 

Yeah. That is where it gets complicated.

 

Also technically we were talking about competing in multiple disciplines. But I used break dancing to push the boundaries of that concept.

So as to alleviate this issue.


"training for comps is generaly better than training for belts, if you want to be more than averagely proficient

but as soon as you do that you are limiting yourself to the rule set your training, youl get very good at what you train, and not at all at " good "techniques that are not applicable

you can send your self mad trying to fill all the holes that appear as soon as you say " but what if""

 

I agree! Last time I was really looking at this (admittedly about 10 years ago - so can't quote studies) there was pretty decent research that demonstrated that when it comes to high level skill development (not just getting the very basics of something) that for at least a small majority of people there was no measurable skill transfer between similar but different activities. So, counter-intuitive as it might seem, for most people, but probably not for most "natural athletes", there is effectively no skill transfer between an activity like skateboarding and surfing once you get beyond a very superficial baseline kind of level.

The research gets really complicated but the main take away is that if you want to be truly great at a given activity you need to train in that activity for purposes of skill development and not muddy the waters for your brain with similar but not identical activities. This still remains true even for the "natural athletes" who do experience skill transfer between similar activities, though they aren't punished by cross training so much as it is simply less efficient for them than focusing. Now if you want to be super effective at something really broad and unpredictable like "self defense" it's a lot harder to apply this research than if you want to be a world class boxer within the WBA rule set or something similar, but it's still worth keeping in mind even then.

This applies directly to skill development. There are similar principles when it comes to conditioning as your body's metabolic adaptations to activity are relatively specific. Training for a marathon isn't going to help you develop endurance for 3 minute rounds of combat sport unless you are extremely deconditioned and even then it's a very inefficient way to prepare. Strength training is great because being stronger is a general attribute that makes just about every form of physical activity easier. The only exceptions are very fringe examples like running marathons and the like where you need very little strength to accomplish the task and you need to expend as little energy as possible while performing it. Artificial and arbitrary rules like weight divisions might also make strength training less effective in some specific instances.

 

Doesn't it depend on the competition formats? I mean, how are we defining success here? Is it relative to the individual, as in Person A's progress independent of anyone else's?

I'm a little late to this discussion, and I apologize if I'm rehashing anything previously covered. I think, though, that the idea of complimentary training is pretty mainstream and not all that controversial. Does yoga make you better at Jiu Jitsu? Well, it might not help you learn the timing of a technique, but some would argue that it's made all the difference in their performance, and that the better they get at Yoga (or breakdancing), the better they get at BJJ. I don't think it's too controversial to suggest that flexibility and strength gained from Yoga will help people become better at BJJ than if they just did BJJ alone.

there is a point of diminishing return on time. If the hangup here is that you have a finite amount of time, a few things come into play. First is the very idea of a learning curve. There's a reason it's referred to as a curve and not a learning slope. Generally speaking, the higher your skill level, the less steep the learning curve becomes. I don't think this is controversial, either. Right?

Getting to Tony's question, if someone does just BJJ for 8 years, is his BJJ going to be better than if he did 8 years splitting time between BJJ and Breakdancing? The answer is, I really don't know. It's impossible to say, but based on my experience, I would guess that, all other things being equal, if person A trained 15 hrs per week in Breakdancing and 15 hrs per week in BJJ, and person B trained 30 hrs in BJJ alone, after 8 years the difference in BJJ skill would be negligible, while Person A's breakdancing skill would be demonstrably better than Person B's. To be clear, this might not be true if you change Person A's ration to say, 4 hours of BJJ per week and 26 hours of breakdancing.

There is a point of diminishing return. That's what I'm getting at. It may not actually be 15 hours.. maybe 20/10 BJJ to breakdancing would be optimal. The key is that there would be a point where training more is not going to produce tangible results, and that engaging in a complimentary activity will actually improve performance in both activities.

 

Exept that a lot of very successful combat sports people do it?

I mean almost no MMA combat sportsmen do MMA exclusively. They all jits, box, wrestle, whatever.

 

So you could compete in multiple formats to improve your core skill if it was well rounded enough to accommodate that.

Thus reducing the issue of training for too specific a purpose. If that is something you want to overcome.123