1 inch punch put to the test
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Forgive me for stopping the video when they brought in the Shaolin monk. They are the wrong ones to "test" for that kind of test. With that said, there are a number of people who could better demonstrate the one inch punch.
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But did you watch it? I don't care who does it, only of the results.
mook jong man
Senior Master
You can keep your shaolin monk.
You bet your **** it's real
I felt the one inch punch of my late master shown in this video many times.
[video=youtube_share;l7wDsaMsypk]http://youtu.be/l7wDsaMsypk[/video]
You bet your **** it's real
I felt the one inch punch of my late master shown in this video many times.
[video=youtube_share;l7wDsaMsypk]http://youtu.be/l7wDsaMsypk[/video]
I'd love to see one of them. :asian:
rlobrecht
Brown Belt
This is entertainment, not science. You'll notice that all three punches were reported with a different type of measurement for the result. And there's no control. Why don't the compare the host's 1 inch punch, and a boxers 1 inch punch to the monk's?
I'm not saying it's not impressive, I'm just saying that there's a lot left out of the report.
I'm not saying it's not impressive, I'm just saying that there's a lot left out of the report.
In fairness, she did say they had measured to impact from boxers and that the first punch matched the boxer. Then she said, with regard to the one inch punch, that they had never had that power generated by anyone before. I agree that it would have been good to see the actual reading.
I'm not saying he is the only one to effectively generate a one inch punch, but, as you said, what was demonstrated was impressive.
:asian:
mook jong man
Senior Master
It's got nothing to with scientific impact readings.
I can tell you from one who has been on the receiving end many times , that it is how it affects you internally.
You feel physically sick and you don't feel quite right for about three days.
It is not merely physical either , it has to with something we in Wing Chun call " Nim Lik " meaning "Thought Force " or "Force from the brain"
Genuine masters like my late Sifu can diffuse their force so it impacts on the surface of the body and just knocks you back , if they mean to kill you they will use "Nim Lik" to focus their internal energy so the force penetrates deeply into your body and you will not go back you will just drop.
They can do it with just a small fraction of their force and you will still feel it internally.
It's not magic , it comes from years of training the Siu Nim Tau form .
I can tell you from one who has been on the receiving end many times , that it is how it affects you internally.
You feel physically sick and you don't feel quite right for about three days.
It is not merely physical either , it has to with something we in Wing Chun call " Nim Lik " meaning "Thought Force " or "Force from the brain"
Genuine masters like my late Sifu can diffuse their force so it impacts on the surface of the body and just knocks you back , if they mean to kill you they will use "Nim Lik" to focus their internal energy so the force penetrates deeply into your body and you will not go back you will just drop.
They can do it with just a small fraction of their force and you will still feel it internally.
It's not magic , it comes from years of training the Siu Nim Tau form .
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
mook jong man
Senior Master
Something that irritates me about this is that they call it Bruce Lee's one inch punch.
It's not his one inch punch at all , it is Wing Chun's one inch punch and Wing Chun people were doing it a long time before Bruce Lee was even born.
After watching the video very closely , you can see that the monk's fist and forearm are quite tense , this is quite the opposite to how a proper one inch punch in Wing Chun is performed.
Being tense is like trying to accelerate in your car with the brake on.
We totally relax the arm and body to achieve maximum velocity and transfer our body mass into the target.
Far be it from me to tell a shaolin monk how to train , but I dare say if he learned to relax he could probably generate even more power than what he's getting now.
It's not his one inch punch at all , it is Wing Chun's one inch punch and Wing Chun people were doing it a long time before Bruce Lee was even born.
After watching the video very closely , you can see that the monk's fist and forearm are quite tense , this is quite the opposite to how a proper one inch punch in Wing Chun is performed.
Being tense is like trying to accelerate in your car with the brake on.
We totally relax the arm and body to achieve maximum velocity and transfer our body mass into the target.
Far be it from me to tell a shaolin monk how to train , but I dare say if he learned to relax he could probably generate even more power than what he's getting now.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
aye, and I get irritated when people think the technique (any technique) is simply mimicking the movement. There's more to it than that. But people think that's it, so then someone does just that, mimicks the movement and they try to make conclusions out of that "experiment". It just doesn't work like that.
mook jong man
Senior Master
Exactly right , there is so much more to it than that.
When I tell people that one of the main components of a good one inch punch is to have extremely relaxed thighs they look at you like you have a screw loose.
But it is true , whenever someone strikes , some of that energy will rebound from the target they are hitting and go back through their own body.
If the person is tense that will cause a blockage and the force will travel back into them and push them back slightly out of their stance lessening the amount of force that is put into the target.
In Wing Chun by relaxing the whole body any of the rebound force is channeled down our bodies , down through our stance and into the floor , if it is done properly the force of the punch will actually push us into the floor making our stance even stronger and increasing the amount of body mass that is transfered into the target.
Not magic , it's just the way the Wing Chun stance was designed to work.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
ohmygawd, don't even get me started on our Tibetan White Crane techniques. People see the arm movement and that's all they focus on. They completely miss how the full body engages to power that arm. They try to do the technique with just the arm movement, with zero body connection driving it, and then they can't figure out why it's no good. They just decide then that it doesn't work and that's the end to it. They think it's just a weird stylized way of fighting that doesn't work too well, when it's nothing of the sort. Well it's because they don't know how to do it properly and they don't want to make a committment of time and effort to properly learn how to do it (it doesn't happen overnight), and most of the "teachers" don't even understand it and are teaching it wrong anyway.
frank raud
Master of Arts
Hmm,same crash test dummy, same scientist measuring the results, and Lucia Rijkers hits with 922 lbs of force, apparently the same as the much larger Houston Alexander, yet the monks punch is so impressive?
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frank raud
Master of Arts
Cain Velasquez 2200lbs of force in his punch
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You can't blame the public on this one. It was Bruce who made it popular in the USA long before anyone else.
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It's still force = mass X acceleration. The monks punch clearly had a pull back to about 3 in. before accelerating forward and his technique allowed him to transfer a great deal of body mass into the technique. (No intended slam in the observation about the real distance. It is very difficult to control for the tendancy to pull back and I'm not sure how much additional acceleration that permits.) My Grandmaster regularly did one inch breaks. It was still mass X acceleration. The other "demonstrations"... barring input from an engineer or physicist, it appears to me that breaking a long staff around someone allows the tip to accelerate well beyond the impact point on the staff resulting in the break of the staff. While I'm sure the impact force is large, it's not the same as the impact from the accelerating tip if that were to strike the body; and some of the force is dissipated in the process of the staff breaking. Similarly, breaking a slab against the body dissipates the force in the slab as it breaks much like the crumple zone of a car front end. The spear tip; he clearly controlled the placement of the spear head (a double head which spreads the force over a greater surface area) and held the spear head until there was a significant bend in the shaft. All of this dissipates the force at the spear tip and is not analogous to bracing against a sharp tip that has a trajectory moving straight into the neck without tangential forces. So, great showmanship, and the force he generated in the punch was real force. I don't know if the lay public is well served by demonstrations of "magical" powers that rely on giving the impression of withstanding blows that are less than they appear.
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Jean Marais
Yellow Belt
A sprinter also relaxes in the "get set" position in the starting blocks. Every athlete that needs to use explosive power (should) has learnt this. I learnt this in basket ball to jump higher.
Has anyone tried a one inch push. I bet it generates the same force and "hurts" the same. How about a zero inch push like when I do a bench press. In the last inch of my bench press I have the most power before full extention. I bet I can move those weights really fast, i.e. apply a lot of force. Ofcoarse I wouldn't break a sweet, because exerting the force for only a fraction of a second, I don't invest much energy.
Similarly, if I applied myself to push this hard over one inch at a person standing, he will fly backwards (especially if there is proper follow through).
I read the results. The monk generated about 1/3 the force of the full puncher, but over only ONE inch. That is damn impressive. If the monk could (and this is not likely, due to the simple biomechs) continue to apply that amount of force for the same amount of flight time of the "normal" punch, his forearm and fist (mass) would gain considerable kinetic energy, that is, gain a high speed.
Upon his mass colliding with the standing mass, this energy must be converted, transmitted, gained, etc. The outcome is that the target's mass will deform structurally (damage) and move due to impulse physics (which I won't get into).
My bottom line is that you don't need (shouldn't) to convince me that this is
a) impressive
b) requires training and practice
c) is real
and you don't need to call it qi.
Probably not your best choice of analogy. Racers apply throttle while on the brakes all the time. There's even a thing called a transbrake that engages 1st & reverse at the same time to lock the transmission and allow even more throttle to be applied without moving the car. This allows a more explosive start.
