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It's just a way of describing how people categorize things - as variations within large groups or as distinct entities. It can apply to different fields of study.I've never heard these terms before, can you elaborate on that?
I'm glad I asked, because I thought it had to do with strength vs. flexibility in execution.It's just a way of describing how people categorize things - as variations within large groups or as distinct entities. It can apply to different fields of study.
Within BJJ, suppose I show you a dozen ways to get a triangle choke on someone.
An extreme splitter might call those 12 different techniques.
A moderate splitter might call them 3 different techniques (triangle from guard, mounted triangle. back triangle) with variations based on the entry.
A moderate lumper might call it one technique with 12 variations based on the final position and the entry.
An extreme lumper might call triangle chokes with the legs just variations of one basic technique, along with kata gatame, the darce, the anaconda, and the arm-in guillotine.
It's mostly semantics, but it can have effects on how you conceptualize things.
No, it doesn't. Apparently the problem is that you don't understand the word. Here's the dictionary definition of curriculum:Not really. It's a teaching method. But a curriculum implies there's structure and overt standards.
Note the utter and complete lack of anything related to structure or standards, overt, covert, or otherwise.the subjects comprising a course of study in a school or college
How about including the full result from Google?No, it doesn't. Apparently the problem is that you don't understand the word. Here's the dictionary definition of curriculum:
Note the utter and complete lack of anything related to structure or standards, overt, covert, or otherwise.
Experience! If you are not an experienced judge your student quality will probably drop below national standard. But in general we have "grading panels" to ensure things are correct. Also you really should not be letting people try for grades they cannot achieve. Why would you want to deliberately disappoint them when they fail?I want to be clear up front. I am not complaining about promotion times, or making any reference to someone getting promoted early or late. I'm just curious how black belts figure out the criteria for who should be promoted and when.
When I get a stripe, I don't know what the difference is between the day I got it, and the days before. I don't know what it is that my professor finally said, "Skribs is ready." Same for the other students. I am not aware of the decision-making process. I see that they are improving, and at some point in that improvement, they get a stripe. I've even had a friend complain to me, "I don't know what to work on to get my next stripe." It's generally considered taboo to ask about your own promotion status. It's even more out of line to ask about someone else.
Compare this with my experience in Taekwondo. It's very easy to learn who is ready for the next belt. You have a list of curriculum items that will be on the test. If the student can demonstrate those items, they're ready to test. I have tons of experience as an instructor, using this method to recommend to my Master who is ready to test, and then participating as a judge during the test. As a student, I was aware of this going on. I had my printout of what was going to be on the test, and I could check each item off as I memorized it.
How is it that black belts in BJJ go from the student that does not know when or why promotions are given out, to knowing when someone is ready?
I think you may have missed that skribs posted this in the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu subforum and was asking specifically about BJJ promotions. We do things a bit differently from arts like kendo. For one thing, we don’t have grading panels and in most schools we don’t have rank exams.Experience! If you are not an experienced judge your student quality will probably drop below national standard. But in general we have "grading panels" to ensure things are correct. Also you really should not be letting people try for grades they cannot achieve. Why would you want to deliberately disappoint them when they fail?
Also its another reason why associations have a time period between grades. Two year between shodan and nidan is "two years training". Not just a little training and turn up for grading.
Well usually it's association that award belts. I would not pin it down to Kendo but most Japanese arts do it.I think you may have missed that skribs posted this in the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu subforum and was asking specifically about BJJ promotions. We do things a bit differently from arts like kendo. For one thing, we don’t have grading panels and in most schools we don’t have rank exams.
Yep. It's just one of the ways that BJJ culture differs from most Japanese arts. I just mentioned Kendo because I know that's one style in which you are an experienced instructor.Well usually it's association that award belts. I would not pin it down to Kendo but most Japanese arts do it.
Have you considered suplimenting with online training. As many of those these days have curriculums or at least progressive systems.We do anywhere from 2-3 techniques in any one class. We'll focus on one position for anywhere from a week to a month, and then move on to another position. For example, we might do closed guard for a month. We'll spend a week doing 2-3 pressure passes per class. They might be related, they might not. The next week, sweeps. Then speed passes, then submissions. Then we may spend a week doing lasso guard. Then two weeks on half guard. Then a week on side control. Then two weeks back in closed guard, followed by two weeks on an open guard. I missed a week and completely skipped over butterfly guard.
My professor says he's going to teach me 40% of what I'm going to learn about BJJ. The drills that we do in the first half of class make up the curriculum. The other 60% comes from:
There are things we were taught during the first month or two I was there, which anyone who started after has not learned. For example, I don't think we've touched half guard since my 2nd week, outside of a week or two on deep half guard.
- Figuring things out during rolls
- Upper belts giving us advice on what we're trying to do or how to counter what they're doing during rolls
- Outside research, such as videos, discussions, or cross-training (with the rule that -especially with videos or flashy techniques- you run it by the professor first)
An equivalent to Taekwondo would be if we picked a different kick every week. Or, some weeks maybe we do a punch or a grappling technique. So we might spend a week on back kicks. That's all we do. Monday we do a back kick, and then a spinning back kick. Tuesday, we do the same, but in street clothes. Wednesday and Thursday, we do some footwork tricks to set up the spinning back kick. Then Friday and Saturday, we do roundhouse kicks to set up the back kick. That's the first half of class. No punches. No grappling. Just back kicks and sometimes roundhouse kicks.
The second half of each class is sparring. If you have a completely new person, the only kick they know is a back kick. When an upper belt hits them with any other technique, that upper belt might teach them how to throw a roundhouse or a punch.
And then you never do back kicks again for 8 months, and anyone who started in the last 6 months or so has never done one. Unless it came up in sparring from an upper belt.
There are underlying concepts that bind every technique together. But that's not a curriculum.
I'm sure Tony or Drop Bear can correct me, corroborate me, or otherwise provide an alternative perspective on this.
I do, but kind of OT for this thread.Have you considered suplimenting with online training. As many of those these days have curriculums or at least progressive systems.
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I do, but kind of OT for this thread.
I would call the BJJ community more homogenous than most other systems due to its comparatively recent popularization. The karate community was, until the early 1970's, in a similar stage. The majority of instructors were just 1 or 2 generations away from the Okinawan/Japanese masters (or were transplanted masters themselves) and commonly adhered to high standards. Most all blackbelts could be expected to have crisp, sharp, capable technique well executed with impressive speed and form. Nowadays, IMO, "most all" would be an exaggeration.But the community tends to apply pressure towards some broad norms.
The key word here is "should." That is influenced by the community the instructor is identifies with."Can they perform the material for belt X at the skill level a person of belt x should display?"
The biggest issue is that you never understand the basics.
I found this video today, of a black belt walking through his thought process on this subject.
In large, I feel you, @Dirty Dog, and tony @dismukes are all spot on.I want to be clear up front. I am not complaining about promotion times, or making any reference to someone getting promoted early or late. I'm just curious how black belts figure out the criteria for who should be promoted and when.
When I get a stripe, I don't know what the difference is between the day I got it, and the days before. I don't know what it is that my professor finally said, "Skribs is ready." Same for the other students. I am not aware of the decision-making process. I see that they are improving, and at some point in that improvement, they get a stripe. I've even had a friend complain to me, "I don't know what to work on to get my next stripe." It's generally considered taboo to ask about your own promotion status. It's even more out of line to ask about someone else.
Compare this with my experience in Taekwondo. It's very easy to learn who is ready for the next belt. You have a list of curriculum items that will be on the test. If the student can demonstrate those items, they're ready to test. I have tons of experience as an instructor, using this method to recommend to my Master who is ready to test, and then participating as a judge during the test. As a student, I was aware of this going on. I had my printout of what was going to be on the test, and I could check each item off as I memorized it.
How is it that black belts in BJJ go from the student that does not know when or why promotions are given out, to knowing when someone is ready?
I find plenty I do wrong in regular class.The biggest issue is that you never understand the basics.
That is what seminars are for. Is so you can find out you were doing something simple that was wrong all this time.