i found both films entertaining, i am not a big jcvd fan though, but i'd watch it if its on tv and i have nothing better to do. I don't think the story telling or plot line of either of these films was anything spectacular but they were both great action films and the story was strong enough to keep the films together and flowing well. The thing you have to remember is competition has always been intertwined with martial arts and numerous films show this, its no big supprise.