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Mr. Hayes did use Toshin Do Kasumi an Kukishinden Ryu Bojutsu on certs for people studying like say the Bojutsu kihon. But according to Mr. Ohashi Mr. Hayes still can issue rank in the Bujinkan to people studying the Bujinkan classical methods still from him( he chooses not too). But this has nothing to do with my question all these years and a lot of stuff being said but I have never heard this is what he did that upset Mr. Hatsumi and this is when it happen. I would like someone to say this is what he did and when and the info came from Mr. Hatsumi or atleast a Japanese Shihan and not third or fourth person out.
Mr. Ohashi told me that there is no ban on Toshindo people and they are welcome to train at the Hombu as far as he knows and Mr. Hayes can still give out Bujinkan rank to students who are still training in the classical stuff under Mr. Hayes as well(Bujinkan). But like I said I want someone who has heard it from Mr. Hatsumi or at least a Japanese shihan what Mr. Hayes did to upset Mr. Hatsumi and when. No 3rd or 4th person info
Alot of people spread things they know nothing about and continue to spread things that are false. Nothing that was said is either new or about what the subject at hand was either you know or do not. I mean really all the talking over the years when it gets right down to it this is the direct question is there anyone on here who can answer it.
Ok I am not getting pulled into this I stated the facts given by him. So you do not know the answer thank you for your time.
Pot? Kettle? Irony, thy name is Shiro. :lfao:I really don't know why people who do not know can not help but post stuff that is a waste of time to everyone, if you do not know first hand why post anything? The point of this was people spread things that is 3rd or 4th person info at best I thought why not get to the heart of the matter but it seems no one on here has heard from either party or a Japanese Shihan themselves so anyone who has not please do not post anymore it is a waste of everyones time. Please just ignore this if you do not have real info and have a great day.
Pot? Kettle? Irony, thy name is Shiro. :lfao:I really don't know why people who do not know can not help but post stuff that is a waste of time to everyone, if you do not know first hand why post anything? The point of this was people spread things that is 3rd or 4th person info at best I thought why not get to the heart of the matter but it seems no one on here has heard from either party or a Japanese Shihan themselves so anyone who has not please do not post anymore it is a waste of everyones time. Please just ignore this if you do not have real info and have a great day.
I really don't know why people who do not know can not help but post stuff that is a waste of time to everyone, if you do not know first hand why post anything? The point of this was people spread things that is 3rd or 4th person info at best I thought why not get to the heart of the matter but it seems no one on here has heard from either party or a Japanese Shihan themselves so anyone who has not please do not post anymore it is a waste of everyones time. Please just ignore this if you do not have real info and have a great day.
I really don't know why people who do not know can not help but post stuff that is a waste of time to everyone, if you do not know first hand why post anything? The point of this was people spread things that is 3rd or 4th person info at best I thought why not get to the heart of the matter but it seems no one on here has heard from either party or a Japanese Shihan themselves so anyone who has not please do not post anymore it is a waste of everyones time. Please just ignore this if you do not have real info and have a great day.
It's also important to recognize that there can be some major cultural miscommunications across the Japanese and American cultures. It's very possible that an action or exchange was meant one way, but perceived another. I've been trying to dig up a well written article I'd posted on this at one point without luck. It's very possible, it seems, that you can have an exchange that runs kind of like this:Your just wasting your time and ours. Those in the know do know what happened and there are more than a few. However, they certainly are not going to share it here and as Elder999 said by email, phone, etc. Your not going to find out unless you are a trusted Bujinkan student with very good connections. That is just the way it is! Sorry!!!
It was not a game if you ready alot of the post on here and others alot of people talk without knowing anything really and spread false claims my point was to say say what or who or do not post. It is very clear that my point is proven on here at least this is true. So i am done on here with this.
Good day