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Yes karate has those.Does Karate have hook punch, uppercut, overhand (or hammer fist)? Don't see those basic tools used in that clip.
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Yes karate has those.Does Karate have hook punch, uppercut, overhand (or hammer fist)? Don't see those basic tools used in that clip.
Here's a more itemized rundown of the sort of movement patterns I would put into my solo BJJ kata if I were to create one:Oddly enough this reminds me a bit of Chinese dog boxing which has a major wrestling aspect to it.
I know that TSD has those in the hyungs.Does Karate have hook punch, uppercut, overhand (or hammer fist)? Don't see those basic tools used in that clip.
They are very common to me. It's one of my go-to strikes to teach beginners and people of small stature as it can generate decent power. I like to put it on the jaw line.Hammer fists aren't seen too much, but back fists are common
Should a Karate teacher create a new form that contain the following combos?Yes karate has those.
No need to create a new form. Just drill these combos and add in a little footwork.Should a Karate teacher create a new form that contain the following combos?
- jab, jab, cross.
- jab, hook, uppercut.
- hook, back fist, overhand.
- jab, cross, hook, uppercut.
- ...
In the video the narrator calls out the hook punch as one of the types of punches that are use.Does Karate have hook punch, uppercut, overhand (or hammer fist)? Don't see those basic tools used in that clip.
That's what we are discussing in this thread, do form define the style, or do drill define the style?No need to create a new form. Just drill these combos and add in a little footwork.
Well not all systems have forms or kata so the form wouldn't define it unless we speak of form as general. Form of a system = Shape of a system. The fundamentals that characterize a system + the general approach to and use of those fundamentals.That's what we are discussing in this thread, do form define the style, or do drill define the style?
What does it mean that if a drill doesn't exist in form?
What does that mean if a style founder didn't create his form that contained his favor fighting skill?Well not all systems have forms or kata so the form wouldn't define it unless we speak of form as general. Form of a system = Shape of a system. The fundamentals that characterize a system + the general approach to and use of those fundamentals.
It means it gets lost unless some learns it or puts it in a drill. Or at the very least video tape it with instructions.What does that mean if a style founder didn't create his form that contained his favor fighting skill?
I have had favorite fighting combos thst I have probalost forever because I didn't record them.It means it gets lost unless some learns it or puts it in a drill. Or at the very least video tape it with instructions.
In traditional karate, forms were designed by masters who took two-man drills of 2-5 moves and combined them into a form. These drills represented the "style" of fighting of themselves and/or their teacher (for whom the forms were sometimes named after): Kusanku form was based on the fighting style of Kusanku. The same for Chinto and Tokumine (bo). In this respect, the drills defined the form which defined the style.That's what we are discussing in this thread, do form define the style, or do drill define the style?
In karate, little or nothing. The form is a template and cannot contain all possible techniques and variations that one can choose to drill on. What's more important, IMO, are form techniques not found in drills. One of the shortcomings in a lot of schools is that due to the separation of drills and forms as discussed above, a lot of techniques found in forms are not drilled, no longer being seen as relevant since the application and value of these moves are not well understood by many instructors, having been lost over time.What does it mean that if a drill doesn't exist in form?
What if we treat forms as books in the library. If the book exists, the information exists. If the book doesn't exist, the information doesn't exist.The form is a template and cannot contain all possible techniques and variations that one can choose to drill on.
For one thing, this presupposes that knowledge can only exist in books. Which is patently untrue.What if we treat forms as books in the library. If the book exists, the information exists. If the book doesn't exist, the information doesn't exist.
You are correct. All knowledge exists on YouTube.For one thing, this presupposes that knowledge can only exist in books. Which is patently untrue.
If a MA system contain 100 techniques, 60 are recorded in the forms. 40 are recorded in the drills. How will an instructor pass those 40 drills information to the future generation?No need to create a new form. Just drill these combos and add in a little footwork.
What does it mean if the following styles’ founders didn't create a form that contained their favorite fighting skills? Shuai Jiao, Yiquan, Sanda, Mongolian wrestling, Jeet Kune Do, judo (seldom trained), muay thai, BJJ and fencing.What does that mean if a style founder didn't create his form that contained his favor fighting skill?
Since a shuai jiao form doesn't exist, does the information not exist?What if we treat forms as books in the library. If the book exists, the information exists. If the book doesn't exist, the information doesn't exist.
My Yang style Shifu was at that fight, and he, his teacher and other martial artist that were there at the time thought it was bad. Per my Shifu it was billed much like an Ali, Frazer fight.... the audience was not happy and many were asking for their money back..... so it is not a good example of sparing at the timeI think the reason the style doesn't look like sparring is because of sparring. The two are not the same and did not evolve at the same time. Watch any old footage of martial arts fighting and its pretty bad. There was no golden age of TMA where the fighting was better than it is today.
I believe the idea of single techniques being interwoven into the creation of forms is a fallacy.
SC has 24 forms. It's recorded as SC form1, SC form 2, ..., SC form 24.Since a shuai jiao form doesn't exist, does the information not exist?