University of Florida Student Tazed at John Kerry Speech...

[Cruentus]

O.K..... THoughts?

Now discuss...

 

[Cruentus]

And real quick... be honest; how many of you sick bastards chuckled a little at the clip. Come on... be honest.... :uhyeah:

 

[terryl965]

First off Mr. Kerry said let him talk so he could answer the question, The police or security gaurds took this to a level that did not need to be in my opinion. All the young man did was ask a question that his people did not like.
The young lad should have let well enough alone and just left when he was ask the first time and not try to question authority at this point and time. One must know when to pick the right moments.

And yes I chuckled

 

[Cruentus]

And yes I chuckled

Ha, ha...sick bastard!! :rofl: [yea, me too. ]

Here is another clip that shows the beginning of the students lunatic diatribe in case anyone thinks that he wasn't to blame for his fate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU&mode=related&search=

 

[Cruentus]

The incident from a different angle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y90tjV_Va0o&mode=related&search=

It didn't look like the cuffs were on prior to being tazed here; and whether the cuffs were off or on when tazed makes a difference in this circumstance, I think.

 

[Mr. E]

Ha, ha...sick bastard!! :rofl: [yea, me too. ]

Here is another clip that shows the beginning of the students lunatic diatribe in case anyone thinks that he wasn't to blame for his fate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU&mode=related&search=

I had not see that part. What I saw on television was him on the ground saying that if they take the cuffs off of him he would walk out with them. But in the clip you gave, when they first try to lead him out he pulls away and keeps trying to rant away like a lunatic.

At that point, I think he gave up his right to be taken at his word about going out quietly. I rather have to suspect that he pushed things as much as he could to get tased like he did.

And I did not chuckle...until I saw your clip. Thanks!

 

[jks9199]

Whether or not the kid (who, according to some reports has a history of what can best be described as "attention seeking behavior") should have been allowed more time to ask his question is open; I don't think he actually had a question, so much as a desire to speak on the microphone. He was demanding the right to ramble his views at Kerry's event. When told to shut up, he didn't take a hint.

When physically escorted to the aisle, and subsequently to the rear of the theatre, he didn't take the hint, and forced his way back in.

When he was finally subdued, he continued to resist. The Taser was used to "encourage" his submission. He should be thankful. He was fine a few minutes later; had they used batons, OC, or other means to subdue him, he'd probably be hospitalized.

And now the University of Florida appears to be throwing the cops to the wolves of public outcry...

If it'd been me working that -- I'd have used more force, much quicker to get him under control. I'm pretty impressed at the restraint the cops showed.

And -- I laughed the first time I watched it.

 

[crushing]

I didn't find anything to chuckle at in those clips. They were very disturbing.

 

[Kacey]

Do I think the kid is an attention seeking idiot? Yes

Do I think that, since Sen. Kerry said he wanted to answer his question, he should have been asked to leave? No - he should have been allowed to listen to Sen. Kerry's response. Had he continued to speak when Kerry was attempting to answer, then that would be different.

Do I think he should have resisted when asked to leave? No.

Do I think that the police overreacted? Yes, I do - they shouldn't have asked him to leave once Kerry said he'd answer the question. Once the kid refused to leave quietly... I don't know.

Did I find any of this amusing? No, I didn't. The kid asked an admittedly ill-advised question at the end of a personal rant that may or may not have been related to what Kerry said during his speech, but I find the response to his actions to be excessive - on both sides.

Had Kerry endorsed - or requested - his removal, I might see the incident differently, but in the circumstances given, I think that letting his ask his question, hear the response, and then removing him, if still necessary, would have been much more appropriate under the circumstances. That said, however, I do think that there are, quite likely, things that went on that we are unaware, including, but not limited to, other comments by this kid, the posted parameters on questions (if any), the orders given to the officers present, and so on.

 

[grydth]

I didn't find anything to chuckle at in those clips. They were very disturbing.

I'm with you.... the disruptor was a selfish attention grabber, somebody willing to disrupt an event to get some air time.... but was he a threat, especially with 4 cops already on him, that merited a taser? I have to question that. This was merely a human whoopee cushion - I am surprised they couldn't have controlled and removed him more quickly without that.

Kerry just got ignored and pushed into the back ground.

 

[Phoenix44]

No, I didn't chuckle. It wasn't funny. The guy asked a question during a "Question and Answer Session," Kerry said he would answer, and the kid was dragged off in handcuffs, tazed, and for what??? For asking a question? Certainly not for "inciting to riot," which is one of the charges against him. He didn't take a swing at anyone. He was being held down by, what, five police officers? They really needed to use a Tazer?

What's the problem? Kerry didn't like the question about his and Bush's membership in Skull & Bones? He didn't like the implication that maybe Kerry didn't question the election results because Bush was a fellow Bonesman? Tough. IMO, Kerry should be ashamed of himself--and I voted for him.

I am going to chuckle when I see the size of the lawsuit against the university.

 

[grydth]

My bet is that the suit settles quickly and quietly.

Though a number of us think there was an over reaction, many also will think the twerp got exactly what was coming to him....and that he was clearly resisting or even trying to provoke the cops. This little screecher would not play well to a jury, and might find himself getting a 39c verdict.

 

[Blotan Hunka]

Disorderly Conduct arrest. Big deal.

 

[Dave Leverich]

I laughed
The thing is Kerry isn't the one who has the say whether or not a disorderly person should be removed from the proceedings, the police do and he was very beligerant about not only continueing with his story (rather than question), but also forcing his way back in. Tasering might seem much, but he already showed with force that he was going to have to be forcibly removed.
So yeah, I laughed ;p.

 

[Dave Leverich]

There was another tasering in a library that I was very much in the opposite position btw, this instance I believe has completely different justification, a valid one.

 

[baron]

iam sorry but i must be demented i chuckled and just could not keep myself from laughing. i thought it was very funny. he got his fifteen minutes of fame or i should say fifteen minutes of shame.

 

[Mr. E]

Do I think that, since Sen. Kerry said he wanted to answer his question, he should have been asked to leave? No - he should have been allowed to listen to Sen. Kerry's response. Had he continued to speak when Kerry was attempting to answer, then that would be different.

I think that the police on the scene had to think more about keeping people safe and take less chances. If you see the guy rant and rave about secret societies before refusing to leave and breaking out of a gentle move to get him away a police officer has to assume that he may be a mental case along the lines of the guys that shot Lennon, Reagan and others. Get the guy in cuffs until you pat him down for weapons. If they were to stop and let him "listen" before that it might have been that he reached into his waistband, pulled out a pistol and started shooting.

That is what the guys on the scene might have thought based on all the evidence they had seen and experienced. The guys right to listen to Kerry probably was not as important to them as making sure there was no shooting on their shift.

 

[Big Don]

To avoid problems with law enforcement is pretty simple: Do what you are told. Don't argue. Don't move in any way that could be seen as threatening or resisting. Chris Rock did a really good bit about this...

 

[Doc_Jude]

The worst bit is, due to youthful indiscretion, this kid's name will be on at least a few lists that will hound him for the rest of his life. Poor kid.

With that in mind, I hope that he gets some money out of the whole thing. I think he's going to need it

 

[CoryKS]

And real quick... be honest; how many of you sick bastards chuckled a little at the clip. Come on... be honest.... :uhyeah:

Are you kidding? I laugh every time I see it.

"Don't taze me, bro... AAAUGH!"


This appears to be a case of "Instant Idiot: Just Add Camera".
http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.

"As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.