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New street vs sport update on "scenario" training.
Street vs sport from sharp: I've thought for a long time that the terms "Realistic Scenario Based Training", is the ultimate oxymoron. Both sides know its a scenario, both sides know it will end without death or serious bodily injury, both sides know each other and will see each other again. And even worse, both sides, usually, aren't very skilled in any delivery system or athletic enough to acually be a threat.
Just like an attack in the real world, right????
During a recent private session someone asked me my thoughts on scenario based training. I explained to them my background as a trainer in my agencies academy and SWAT training, using SIMs and other elements as part of their practicals, also what I learned from this on-going experience.
Then, I said, almost word for word, what you said, to make it real I would bring in my buddies from the Irish Ramblers, (a local rugby team), offer to pay them or their bar tab, if they can find a way, anyway, to throw this guy out the window. Now that would be a reality-based scenario. The rest is just really bad acting.
As far as how we see ourselves? No boundaries. I'm simply a fighter. That means I strive to be competitve in any environment. Like Joe said on his thread, I want to be able to hang (beat) boxers, wrestlers, jits guys, stick guys, whatever the event I want to have game.
Naturally that includes dealing with an assault type situation.
As one of my favorite tactical instructors said, "you need to be able to out think them, out talk them and if needed, out fight them, therefore, you must be prepared to out work them". -Dave Wittrock, sniper instructor at The Site.
-Paul Sharp
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The impetus was an incident at a defensive tactics class one of my guy's attended several weeks ago. Some really un-called for comments were made and I've been steaming ever since. I realize that is not the most actualized response but than I never claimed to be the most evolved primate, just trying.
In summary, here is/was the final straw. My friend goes to a D/T class that is one week long. On the first day he walks in and sees a familiar face. He says hi and starts to stretch out and talk about the up-coming presentation. Note that he has been trying to get into this class for about six months, so he is pumped. The familiar face is a guy that trained with us for less than a month, approximately once a week.Turns out this guy is the instructor for the first three days. Instructor has everyone introduce themselves and state any martial arts/training background. My friends turn comes and he says he has been training with the SBG,Il for a little while really likes it blah, blah. As soon as he is done, the instructor pipes up and says "for those of you that don't know, that is a sport centered dojo which is okay but really has no use for what we do and will probably get you hurt really bad in a real fight".Thats cool, everybody can and should have an opinion but really, is that necessary? That is just one of many comments made by this guy over the next three days.
Now for the rest of the story. He came to my gym, never lasted an entire session, puked his guts up within thirty minutes of starting each time. Never lasted more than thirty seconds from the touch of gloves or hand shake until being tapped, dumped or beat on like he stole something. Stated his credentials every time he was there which only made it worse because then the guy's thought he could hang,so why go easy. Never tired of saying, after being subbed, knocked down or otherwise beaten, that in the street he would have bitten or some other dirty tactic.Was completely uncoachable and would respond to any attempt to improve his game with comments like, "yeah but, coach ______ says" or "sifu _____ says that won't work in the streets". So I resorted to saying, hey do what is working for you. Thinking that after a week or two of nothing working he would come around. Not so, his final response was, this is cool but its starting to hurt my street defense so I'm not going to be able to train here any more. Hey, no problem, this isn't for everybody.
Then I start hearing this crap!?!?
So, put that together with every time you surf the web some knob is saying how sport guy's can't fight in the real world, and it finally got under my skin. Also add to that the mis-guided guy that showed up at my gym not once but twice and I've really had enough. Plus some other petty crap that is/was going on and I've now taken the Parliament Funkadelic approach to this and say lets rip the lid off this sucker!
BTW, this individual is certified in several "street" defense systems. So then, why can't he fight? After all, if he did that poorly when there were rules of engagement, what the heck does he think he will be able to do when I'm allowed to play nasty too?
I think that about covers everything. I really am a non-confrontational easy going kind of guy, ask anybody that has met me, knows me or trains with me.
Just in case anybody was wondering.
-Paul "I really do like James Taylor" Sharp
www.straightblastgymillinois.com
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As someone that is part of a group of guy's that are frequently dismissed as simply sport fighters I hope I have something useful to add.
Why the assumption that you can beat us without rules when you can't beat us with rules?
Those rules happen to protect both of us, it would seem that most have forgotten that small yet significant point. Whats keeping me from maiming you for life when I get position and you obviously can't get away? The rules, take those rules away and I'll curb your *** right after I knock/choke you out.
Why the assumption that a combat sports athlete will try to take the fight to the ground?
My last two fights, outside the recent gym incident, were started and finished on my feet. Another gym member also finished a fight this past weekend while standing outside a BK in the downtown area. One cross was all it took. We have had gym members do some real damage in street fights using aspects of their Clinch game. A close friend and gym member dumped his girls ex on his bean right in front of their house.Beautiful Suplex according to those present, the ex had to betaken away by ambulance. A Suplex will leave you seeing stars on a throwing mat, I can't imagine the damage done on concrete. Yes that one went to the ground, but only so the ground could be used as an immoveable object.
Why the assumption that we don't train and carry weapons?
I've completed numerous firearms courses, several members of the gym are MP-5, Handgun, Carbine and Shotgun instructors. We have one member that was a MOUT instructor in the military and another that is one of the few certified to teach Rapid Deployment Tactics. Throw in numerous certs for O/C, stick, less lethal and some other minutia and I think we have a handle on the weapons/tactics thing. We are also installing a lock box so that those that carry on a daily basis have a secure area to place their weapon(s) while training.
Why the assumption that my opponents friends will get involved?
Don't you think my friends, that also happen to be athletes, are just about salivating at the thought of my opponents buddies getting involved? Why should I have all the fun? And just who do you think will have a better handle on using the bottles, chairs and tables that are in the vicinity? I would imagine that an athlete that can Power Clean 375 could probably swing a mean table. In another event at a club in the west side of Chicago one of our guy's used a table to plow two of the clubs bouncers into a wall breaking one bouncers collar bone. Think of the damage he could have done if he only would train realistically.....
To sum it up lets look at it this way. What kind of guy usually does well in sports? Competitive, highly motivated, focused, pain tolerant, highly conditioned, strong and has way too much testosterone.
Now take that guy, and tell him he can bite, eye gouge, pick something up and hit his opponent with it, and you have an animal that most people can not handle. I see it on a regularbasis in my gym and the other SBG's around the country.
-Paul "Diplomat" Sharp
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Here is a simple test of your trapping skills...., go to the Iowa State wrestling room wearing a t-shirt that reads, "I support Title IX" on the front and "I believe wrestling programs should be cut so we can have more women's field hockey" on the back. This should give you a reaslistic view of your ability to hold center line, step on feetor any other chi sao generated trapping skills....
Whats better for JKD? As in "street safe" takedowns, Greco, no doubt about it. I teach a course to LE called "street safe takedown and control". Its Greco with a twist or two. Its safer for several reasons, knees never touch down, arm control (countering any weapons/strikes), head control (countering bites/spit/movement),and you can use your new found training partner as a barrier between you and his friends. For example, say you want to make someone hate life? After the brain trust and friends have decided to actually fight you, rip bt into a front neck crank, now use the pressure from your back/hips/arms to steer him into his friends to effectively keep them off of you. He can't bite you because if he opens his mouth the pressure will break his jaw in an ugly way and if he hits you in the groin you'll acknowledge his futile attempt at a joke by lifting him completely off the ground using his 3rd - 5th vertebrae as a hinge point. Its a beautiful thing and an experience bt will treasure for the rest of his life.
The subtle joys of combat athletics.
-Paul "joyful" Sharp
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After reading an essay by Ken Wilber on the issue of translation and transformation I started to see some parallels in the world of combat sports. If we define the process of translation as the attempt, through force of will, to bring about change and the process of transformation as change brought about by forces outside our will, we can start this issue. Just for ease of usage I refer to any type of martial art, whether its shooting, sticks, knives, whatever, as combat sports.
I see on a regular basis, people turn to the combat sports in hope of transformation. They desperately want to be someone else. Someone stronger, faster, tougher and they see the combat sports as the quickest way between here and the mystical there. Although they are correct in their choice of combat sports as the vehicle, the problem arises when its time to go to work. Most people want to be an athlete, they just don't want to work like an athlete. Rather than put their ego aside and put their time in at the gym they do the next best thing, they attempt to translate themselves into an athlete. Through force of will they try to move themselves closer to the thing they perceive as the ideal. The tattoo's, shaved head and goatee are joined by the latest fight wear, along with a generous helping of the proper fight lingo and our guy is now on his way to being a fighter. The problem arises when its time to quit talking and start working. A person caught in the cycle of translation will have real difficulty getting on the mat or in the ring. In that arena it doesn't matter how you look or talk, only if you can perform. This realization is unsettling to a translational person as they think that they have changed themselves through force of will. They really believe that they are the part since they look the part. Sadly, getting knocked out or tapped out doesn't fit their perception of themselves so putting themselves in that position is counter intuitive. Please understand, this is not a judgment of those that have shaved heads, tattoo's and goatees, or those that wear fight gear as I have many friends that fit that description. The problem lies with the guy's that think that is all they need to get themselves "there". Sadly, the person caught in a translational trap usually won't last long enough for significant change to take place. They will quit training, moving on to the next thing that they think will take them from the self image they now possess to the self image they desire. You can observe the same thing in the so-called street fighting or reality based corner of the combat sport world. Scared people that translate themselves into lethal killing machines by toting around numerous knives, sticks and assorted weapons. The thing that makes these individuals really dangerous? They are still acting out of fear driven behavior. Without any knowledge of the moral and legal ramifications brought about by their actions. The truth is, they will never overcome their fear because they never confront it. Never testing their skills so as to give themselves a realistic view of their abilities. The fear compounds as they know they are untested which leads them to avoid the testing process for fear of losing and the cycle never ends.
The thing I see on a lesser basis, but what really makes it all worth it, is the person that is training for the pure joy of training. They love getting on the mat or in the ring and mixing it up. Testing their limits and pushing the boundaries of their performance. Nothing else matters, not the opinion of others, never keeping track of who tapped who or who schooled who in the ring, winning is a non-issue. All that matters is the joy of effort. Getting in the gym again and again, whether they feel up to it or not. Translation is the first step in this direction. Someone is accosted at a bar, shopping mall, parking lot or decides one day they want to learn how to fight. Into the gym they go, like anyone, they want to fit in so they make the conscious effort to change some things. They learn the lingo, realize long hair is a detriment, understand the need for fitness and maybe start to follow some of the events. So we could say the first step towards transformation is a translational force of will. One desires change and sets about doing it. The divide takes place in the path taken. If the person desiring change finds themselves in the proper environment the transition from translation to transformation is easy and imperceptible. In the right circumstances a person can be pushed to their limits, training harder than they imagined, getting closer to their goals with every training session. This requires an environment void of rituals, pecking orders and other ego based distractions. The translational person must see everyone working hard with no preference shown to anyone. They must see that we are all athletes on the path towards high performance, once in the gym nothing else matters. In an environment where those in translation can see athletes with a training history of 6, 10 or 15 years working hard on a daily basis to perfect the application of the fundamentals against a resisting opponent, allows this person to see that this is a lifetime endeavor, not a quick fix. Once the translational person comes to this realization, transformation begins. Now training is a labor of love based in joy rather than reactive fear. Confidence is built as performance improves and whether they look tough or not is irrelevant because they have been tested and know they can hang. Transformation takes root and grows as they realize their ideal. They can take care of themselves and know it, as a result of honest training they have a realistic view of their abilities. They are transformed, reaching the place that translation could never take them because ego would get in the way, now, free from ego as a result of their training they continue to train and grow transcending conscious effort. There is a reason we refer to training as ego remover. You will be forced to confront your ego, whether you move past the translational phase into a transformational place can only be decided by you. Will you put yourself in the position to be tapped, knocked down and thrown again and again as you work your way towards your goals or will you decide its easier to make a few cosmetic changes and hope the charade successfully covers your fear.
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Just to add on to James point. This past weekend I arrested one half of a domestic battery. As I am taking him into the booking area to turn him over to the jailers he doubles over, falls to his knees and starts bellowing and puking. I asked him what his problem is and he says his stomach hurts. The jailer calls for a rescue and he is taken to the emergency room. The doc asks what happened, I tell him I have no idea, he was choking the life out of his brother when I showed up, all I did was spray him. Doc checks his stomach, looks around and than says his testicles have ascended..., Later his cousin said that during the fight he had hit him in the nads aproximately 30-40 times as hard as he could while he was choking him. Didn't stop him from choking him unconcious.
Another one happened about a year ago, I'm walking up to a father/son domestic when the son steps out onto the porch where dad is sitting on the stoop and hits dad full tilt with a golf club dead on in the throat. Dad does a weird squeal and jumps up, pulls knife and goes after the kid.
What was that acronym about throat-eyes-solar plexus-nads-knees?
Somebody should have told those guy's when you get hit in a pressure point you go down no questions asked....
Street vs sport from sharp: I've thought for a long time that the terms "Realistic Scenario Based Training", is the ultimate oxymoron. Both sides know its a scenario, both sides know it will end without death or serious bodily injury, both sides know each other and will see each other again. And even worse, both sides, usually, aren't very skilled in any delivery system or athletic enough to acually be a threat.
Just like an attack in the real world, right????
During a recent private session someone asked me my thoughts on scenario based training. I explained to them my background as a trainer in my agencies academy and SWAT training, using SIMs and other elements as part of their practicals, also what I learned from this on-going experience.
Then, I said, almost word for word, what you said, to make it real I would bring in my buddies from the Irish Ramblers, (a local rugby team), offer to pay them or their bar tab, if they can find a way, anyway, to throw this guy out the window. Now that would be a reality-based scenario. The rest is just really bad acting.
As far as how we see ourselves? No boundaries. I'm simply a fighter. That means I strive to be competitve in any environment. Like Joe said on his thread, I want to be able to hang (beat) boxers, wrestlers, jits guys, stick guys, whatever the event I want to have game.
Naturally that includes dealing with an assault type situation.
As one of my favorite tactical instructors said, "you need to be able to out think them, out talk them and if needed, out fight them, therefore, you must be prepared to out work them". -Dave Wittrock, sniper instructor at The Site.
-Paul Sharp
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The impetus was an incident at a defensive tactics class one of my guy's attended several weeks ago. Some really un-called for comments were made and I've been steaming ever since. I realize that is not the most actualized response but than I never claimed to be the most evolved primate, just trying.
In summary, here is/was the final straw. My friend goes to a D/T class that is one week long. On the first day he walks in and sees a familiar face. He says hi and starts to stretch out and talk about the up-coming presentation. Note that he has been trying to get into this class for about six months, so he is pumped. The familiar face is a guy that trained with us for less than a month, approximately once a week.Turns out this guy is the instructor for the first three days. Instructor has everyone introduce themselves and state any martial arts/training background. My friends turn comes and he says he has been training with the SBG,Il for a little while really likes it blah, blah. As soon as he is done, the instructor pipes up and says "for those of you that don't know, that is a sport centered dojo which is okay but really has no use for what we do and will probably get you hurt really bad in a real fight".Thats cool, everybody can and should have an opinion but really, is that necessary? That is just one of many comments made by this guy over the next three days.
Now for the rest of the story. He came to my gym, never lasted an entire session, puked his guts up within thirty minutes of starting each time. Never lasted more than thirty seconds from the touch of gloves or hand shake until being tapped, dumped or beat on like he stole something. Stated his credentials every time he was there which only made it worse because then the guy's thought he could hang,so why go easy. Never tired of saying, after being subbed, knocked down or otherwise beaten, that in the street he would have bitten or some other dirty tactic.Was completely uncoachable and would respond to any attempt to improve his game with comments like, "yeah but, coach ______ says" or "sifu _____ says that won't work in the streets". So I resorted to saying, hey do what is working for you. Thinking that after a week or two of nothing working he would come around. Not so, his final response was, this is cool but its starting to hurt my street defense so I'm not going to be able to train here any more. Hey, no problem, this isn't for everybody.
Then I start hearing this crap!?!?
So, put that together with every time you surf the web some knob is saying how sport guy's can't fight in the real world, and it finally got under my skin. Also add to that the mis-guided guy that showed up at my gym not once but twice and I've really had enough. Plus some other petty crap that is/was going on and I've now taken the Parliament Funkadelic approach to this and say lets rip the lid off this sucker!
BTW, this individual is certified in several "street" defense systems. So then, why can't he fight? After all, if he did that poorly when there were rules of engagement, what the heck does he think he will be able to do when I'm allowed to play nasty too?
I think that about covers everything. I really am a non-confrontational easy going kind of guy, ask anybody that has met me, knows me or trains with me.
Just in case anybody was wondering.
-Paul "I really do like James Taylor" Sharp
www.straightblastgymillinois.com
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As someone that is part of a group of guy's that are frequently dismissed as simply sport fighters I hope I have something useful to add.
Why the assumption that you can beat us without rules when you can't beat us with rules?
Those rules happen to protect both of us, it would seem that most have forgotten that small yet significant point. Whats keeping me from maiming you for life when I get position and you obviously can't get away? The rules, take those rules away and I'll curb your *** right after I knock/choke you out.
Why the assumption that a combat sports athlete will try to take the fight to the ground?
My last two fights, outside the recent gym incident, were started and finished on my feet. Another gym member also finished a fight this past weekend while standing outside a BK in the downtown area. One cross was all it took. We have had gym members do some real damage in street fights using aspects of their Clinch game. A close friend and gym member dumped his girls ex on his bean right in front of their house.Beautiful Suplex according to those present, the ex had to betaken away by ambulance. A Suplex will leave you seeing stars on a throwing mat, I can't imagine the damage done on concrete. Yes that one went to the ground, but only so the ground could be used as an immoveable object.
Why the assumption that we don't train and carry weapons?
I've completed numerous firearms courses, several members of the gym are MP-5, Handgun, Carbine and Shotgun instructors. We have one member that was a MOUT instructor in the military and another that is one of the few certified to teach Rapid Deployment Tactics. Throw in numerous certs for O/C, stick, less lethal and some other minutia and I think we have a handle on the weapons/tactics thing. We are also installing a lock box so that those that carry on a daily basis have a secure area to place their weapon(s) while training.
Why the assumption that my opponents friends will get involved?
Don't you think my friends, that also happen to be athletes, are just about salivating at the thought of my opponents buddies getting involved? Why should I have all the fun? And just who do you think will have a better handle on using the bottles, chairs and tables that are in the vicinity? I would imagine that an athlete that can Power Clean 375 could probably swing a mean table. In another event at a club in the west side of Chicago one of our guy's used a table to plow two of the clubs bouncers into a wall breaking one bouncers collar bone. Think of the damage he could have done if he only would train realistically.....
To sum it up lets look at it this way. What kind of guy usually does well in sports? Competitive, highly motivated, focused, pain tolerant, highly conditioned, strong and has way too much testosterone.
Now take that guy, and tell him he can bite, eye gouge, pick something up and hit his opponent with it, and you have an animal that most people can not handle. I see it on a regularbasis in my gym and the other SBG's around the country.
-Paul "Diplomat" Sharp
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Here is a simple test of your trapping skills...., go to the Iowa State wrestling room wearing a t-shirt that reads, "I support Title IX" on the front and "I believe wrestling programs should be cut so we can have more women's field hockey" on the back. This should give you a reaslistic view of your ability to hold center line, step on feetor any other chi sao generated trapping skills....
Whats better for JKD? As in "street safe" takedowns, Greco, no doubt about it. I teach a course to LE called "street safe takedown and control". Its Greco with a twist or two. Its safer for several reasons, knees never touch down, arm control (countering any weapons/strikes), head control (countering bites/spit/movement),and you can use your new found training partner as a barrier between you and his friends. For example, say you want to make someone hate life? After the brain trust and friends have decided to actually fight you, rip bt into a front neck crank, now use the pressure from your back/hips/arms to steer him into his friends to effectively keep them off of you. He can't bite you because if he opens his mouth the pressure will break his jaw in an ugly way and if he hits you in the groin you'll acknowledge his futile attempt at a joke by lifting him completely off the ground using his 3rd - 5th vertebrae as a hinge point. Its a beautiful thing and an experience bt will treasure for the rest of his life.
The subtle joys of combat athletics.
-Paul "joyful" Sharp
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After reading an essay by Ken Wilber on the issue of translation and transformation I started to see some parallels in the world of combat sports. If we define the process of translation as the attempt, through force of will, to bring about change and the process of transformation as change brought about by forces outside our will, we can start this issue. Just for ease of usage I refer to any type of martial art, whether its shooting, sticks, knives, whatever, as combat sports.
I see on a regular basis, people turn to the combat sports in hope of transformation. They desperately want to be someone else. Someone stronger, faster, tougher and they see the combat sports as the quickest way between here and the mystical there. Although they are correct in their choice of combat sports as the vehicle, the problem arises when its time to go to work. Most people want to be an athlete, they just don't want to work like an athlete. Rather than put their ego aside and put their time in at the gym they do the next best thing, they attempt to translate themselves into an athlete. Through force of will they try to move themselves closer to the thing they perceive as the ideal. The tattoo's, shaved head and goatee are joined by the latest fight wear, along with a generous helping of the proper fight lingo and our guy is now on his way to being a fighter. The problem arises when its time to quit talking and start working. A person caught in the cycle of translation will have real difficulty getting on the mat or in the ring. In that arena it doesn't matter how you look or talk, only if you can perform. This realization is unsettling to a translational person as they think that they have changed themselves through force of will. They really believe that they are the part since they look the part. Sadly, getting knocked out or tapped out doesn't fit their perception of themselves so putting themselves in that position is counter intuitive. Please understand, this is not a judgment of those that have shaved heads, tattoo's and goatees, or those that wear fight gear as I have many friends that fit that description. The problem lies with the guy's that think that is all they need to get themselves "there". Sadly, the person caught in a translational trap usually won't last long enough for significant change to take place. They will quit training, moving on to the next thing that they think will take them from the self image they now possess to the self image they desire. You can observe the same thing in the so-called street fighting or reality based corner of the combat sport world. Scared people that translate themselves into lethal killing machines by toting around numerous knives, sticks and assorted weapons. The thing that makes these individuals really dangerous? They are still acting out of fear driven behavior. Without any knowledge of the moral and legal ramifications brought about by their actions. The truth is, they will never overcome their fear because they never confront it. Never testing their skills so as to give themselves a realistic view of their abilities. The fear compounds as they know they are untested which leads them to avoid the testing process for fear of losing and the cycle never ends.
The thing I see on a lesser basis, but what really makes it all worth it, is the person that is training for the pure joy of training. They love getting on the mat or in the ring and mixing it up. Testing their limits and pushing the boundaries of their performance. Nothing else matters, not the opinion of others, never keeping track of who tapped who or who schooled who in the ring, winning is a non-issue. All that matters is the joy of effort. Getting in the gym again and again, whether they feel up to it or not. Translation is the first step in this direction. Someone is accosted at a bar, shopping mall, parking lot or decides one day they want to learn how to fight. Into the gym they go, like anyone, they want to fit in so they make the conscious effort to change some things. They learn the lingo, realize long hair is a detriment, understand the need for fitness and maybe start to follow some of the events. So we could say the first step towards transformation is a translational force of will. One desires change and sets about doing it. The divide takes place in the path taken. If the person desiring change finds themselves in the proper environment the transition from translation to transformation is easy and imperceptible. In the right circumstances a person can be pushed to their limits, training harder than they imagined, getting closer to their goals with every training session. This requires an environment void of rituals, pecking orders and other ego based distractions. The translational person must see everyone working hard with no preference shown to anyone. They must see that we are all athletes on the path towards high performance, once in the gym nothing else matters. In an environment where those in translation can see athletes with a training history of 6, 10 or 15 years working hard on a daily basis to perfect the application of the fundamentals against a resisting opponent, allows this person to see that this is a lifetime endeavor, not a quick fix. Once the translational person comes to this realization, transformation begins. Now training is a labor of love based in joy rather than reactive fear. Confidence is built as performance improves and whether they look tough or not is irrelevant because they have been tested and know they can hang. Transformation takes root and grows as they realize their ideal. They can take care of themselves and know it, as a result of honest training they have a realistic view of their abilities. They are transformed, reaching the place that translation could never take them because ego would get in the way, now, free from ego as a result of their training they continue to train and grow transcending conscious effort. There is a reason we refer to training as ego remover. You will be forced to confront your ego, whether you move past the translational phase into a transformational place can only be decided by you. Will you put yourself in the position to be tapped, knocked down and thrown again and again as you work your way towards your goals or will you decide its easier to make a few cosmetic changes and hope the charade successfully covers your fear.
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Just to add on to James point. This past weekend I arrested one half of a domestic battery. As I am taking him into the booking area to turn him over to the jailers he doubles over, falls to his knees and starts bellowing and puking. I asked him what his problem is and he says his stomach hurts. The jailer calls for a rescue and he is taken to the emergency room. The doc asks what happened, I tell him I have no idea, he was choking the life out of his brother when I showed up, all I did was spray him. Doc checks his stomach, looks around and than says his testicles have ascended..., Later his cousin said that during the fight he had hit him in the nads aproximately 30-40 times as hard as he could while he was choking him. Didn't stop him from choking him unconcious.
Another one happened about a year ago, I'm walking up to a father/son domestic when the son steps out onto the porch where dad is sitting on the stoop and hits dad full tilt with a golf club dead on in the throat. Dad does a weird squeal and jumps up, pulls knife and goes after the kid.
What was that acronym about throat-eyes-solar plexus-nads-knees?
Somebody should have told those guy's when you get hit in a pressure point you go down no questions asked....