Save the planet: eat a dog?

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Save the planet: eat a dog?

By TANYA KATTERNS - The Dominion Post/Stuff.co.nz EXCERPT:

The eco-pawprint of a pet dog is twice that of a 4.6-litre Land Cruiser driven 10,000 kilometres a year, researchers have found.
Victoria University professors Brenda and Robert Vale, architects who specialise in sustainable living, say pet owners should swap cats and dogs for creatures they can eat, such as chickens or rabbits, in their provocative new book Time to Eat the Dog: The real guide to sustainable living.
The couple have assessed the carbon emissions created bypopular pets, taking into account the ingredients of pet food and the land needed to create them.
"If you have a German shepherd or similar-sized dog, for example, its impact every year is exactly the same as driving a large car around," Brenda Vale said.
"A lot of people worry about having SUVs but they don't worry about having Alsatians and what we are saying is, well, maybe you should be because the environmental impact ... is comparable."
In a study published in New Scientist, they calculated a medium dog eats 164 kilograms of meat and 95kg of cereals every year. It takes 43.3 square metres of land to produce 1kg of chicken a year. This means it takes 0.84 hectares to feed Fido.
They compared this with the footprint of a Toyota Land Cruiser, driven 10,000km a year, which uses 55.1 gigajoules (the energy used to build and fuel it). One hectare of land can produce 135 gigajoules a year, which means the vehicle's eco-footprint is 0.41ha – less than half of the dog's.
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Yes, Elder, we know.


Honestly, IMO, no animal should be forbidden to be used as food. What we eat should be a CHOICE, nothing more. Besides, how do you know (We KNOW Elder, we KNOW!) German Shepherd or Pomeranian isn't the greatest thing you'll ever taste, until you taste it...
I've said for years the way to save the endangered species is to make them dietary staples, cattle, sheep, and chickens aren't close to being endangered...
 

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Don't give the Liberal Eco-Fiends any more ammo please...

I don't need the government taxing or trying to outlaw my pet. Give them ammo, and they'll try to legislate it.
 

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You raise some good points. Like the other day I was looking into this and I didnt know that it's not your regular run of the mill fido that gets eaten in China, it's a special breed that's specifically for that purpose and set apart from those used as pets. They are also killed quite early in life (a couple months).

I don't see anything wrong with it at it's core. It's more of a social thing. I've yet to eat a dog, but it is my mission to eat one of every animal on the planet and I've eaten some pretty crazy stuff in my time.
 

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Yes, Elder, we know.


Honestly, IMO, no animal should be forbidden to be used as food. What we eat should be a CHOICE, nothing more. Besides, how do you know (We KNOW Elder, we KNOW!) German Shepherd or Pomeranian isn't the greatest thing you'll ever taste, until you taste it...
I've said for years the way to save the endangered species is to make them dietary staples, cattle, sheep, and chickens aren't close to being endangered...

I have dogs. They're more than just pets: they're part of the family.

If we were on our way to starving, though.....I'd butcher 'em.

Wouldn't be happy about it-it'd probably be the worst dog I'd ever had, and dog is mighty tasty (you don't KNOW, Don, until you've tried it. :lol: )

And the article is right, as anyone with any kind of pet can tell you: they consume a lot of energy, and, these days, anyway, most energy="carbon footprint."

That said: Omar is mostly right-most of the puppies that are raised for food in Asia aren't necessarily a "particular breed," as much as breeds that are available there. They are specially raised and fed though. The same is true in American Indian cultures that eat/ate dog-puppies are set aside to be raised for food-and this is kind of where the argument in the article looses merit: you wind up feeding the puppy bread and milk, so it'll get fat. In Asia, where it's pretty huge, they keep the dogs in pretty cruelly confining cages that don't let them move. In any case, a diet of bread and milk also has a large carbon footprint-probably about as big as the commercial dogfood they're talking about.
 

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If I had to, I could eat a dog--just not my dog, unless I were truly starving.

A vegan acquaintance of mine a few years back kept emailing articles about the terrible carbon footprint left behind from livestock used for food, milk and eggs. I remember at the time wondering if pets were taken into account also--dogs and cats do eat meat, and I don't care what anybody says, they will be unhealthy on a purely vegetarian diet. Ask any veterinarian.

Nope, not gonna give up my dog, not gonna go vegan. I do plenty else to reduce my carbon footprint, no need to be weak and sickly.
 

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The problem is simpler than that, but whenever I mention it, my liberal and my conservative friends get a tad angry.

QUIT HAVING CHILDREN.

Every child you have in excess of two has an adverse affect on the planet, and that problem only gets worse. Your four kids have four kids, that's 16. They have 4 each, that's 64. Sixty four mouths to feed in three generations. 64 great-grandkids is 256 great-great-grandkids. You can save the planet from all of that now. Do not have children.

My wife and I have no children. We've done our bit for reducing our carbon footprint. So we can drive whatever we want, do whatever we want. We paid our debt forward by not making copies of ourselves. The Anthropogenic Global Warming people can kiss my groove, our debt is paid in full. If they have children, I don't care if they drive a Honda Echo and hug trees with great affection and eat tofu until their crap comes out white and creamy. We have them beat by a long shot.

So stop having children, and you don't have to eat your pets. Nobody likes your kids anyway. They're future criminals who just haven't been convicted yet.
 

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Honestly, IMO, no animal should be forbidden to be used as food. What we eat should be a CHOICE, nothing more. Besides, how do you know (We KNOW Elder, we KNOW!) German Shepherd or Pomeranian isn't the greatest thing you'll ever taste, until you taste it...

Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother****er. Pigs sleep and root in ****. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.

Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.

Jules: I don't eat dog either.

Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?

Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
 

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Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.

That's the problem in a nutshell.

So maybe you could you could train your dog to feed on stray cats. just like my cats eat stray pidgeons and rats.

And we could eat people... plenty die or get killed every day. Maybe we need to re think the old expression "to waste a guy" when you kill 'em. Killing may be necessary, but wasting is bad. Grampa used to always say "eat what you kill" and I never did quite get the problem with Soylent green. Heck its a dog eat dog world.
 

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That's the problem in a nutshell.

So maybe you could you could train your dog to feed on stray cats. just like my cats eat stray pidgeons and rats.

And we could eat people... plenty die or get killed every day. Maybe we need to re think the old expression "to waste a guy" when you kill 'em. Killing may be necessary, but wasting is bad. Grampa used to always say "eat what you kill" and I never did quite get the problem with Soylent green. Heck its a dog eat dog world.


I don't think we could safely eat people unless we gave them a complete medical first and made sure they weren't on any meds but there's still the fumes from vehicles we inhale, the hormones in the meat we eat, flouride in the water we drink and countless other stuff. I guess we'd be marked unfit for human consumption, we could always be fed to the pets though!
 

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...never trust a pig farmer.

Somebody has read "Unintended Consequences," huh? Me too.

Or did you just read about the Canadian pig farmer who had a penchant for killing hookers and feeding them to his hogs? They don't know how many he actually killed, since the pigs eat everything, bones and all.
 

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When we have devolved to the extent that we let those of the Vales' ilk determine our pet, car, dining and reproductive decisions.. then we truly will be the sheeple that they take us for.

Before I give up my black lab, it will be my pleasure to author a new book: Time to Cook PC Eco-Extremists on the Grill and Feed Them to my Dog

Please don't think me harsh; after all, I'll the the Vales' "carbon footprints" are bigger than those of my beloved dog.
 

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Before I give up my black lab, it will be my pleasure to author a new book: Time to Cook PC Eco-Extremists on the Grill and Feed Them to my Dog

Nah, it ain't worth the time it takes to clean 'em.
 

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Somebody has read "Unintended Consequences," huh? Me too.

Or did you just read about the Canadian pig farmer who had a penchant for killing hookers and feeding them to his hogs? They don't know how many he actually killed, since the pigs eat everything, bones and all.

Bill, you know better than to drop the "book bomb" without giving the details man. Who wrote it, how awesome is it?
 
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