Poor Miss California

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Is there something intolerant about posting the link to a beauty queen fired for not even bothering to honour her own contract?

I think it had more to do with the extreme joy all the people in favor of same-sex marriage seem to be expressing at the thought of an avowed 'hetero-only' marriage proponent lost her job. If she lost it for failing to honor her contract, then that's what she gets. But the Schadenfreude being expressed here and elsewhere makes me believe they're happy not because she got fired for not living up to her contract, but for daring to voice a non-California PC opinion about marriage. They'd probably be over the moon with happiness if she were raped and murdered.

It just so happens that I sometimes notice that the PC crowd are pretty quck to demonstrate just now intolerant they are - in their world, 'tolerance' is only what non-PC people should show - they never apply the same yardstick to themselves.
 

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I see what you were saying, unfortunately it all dissolves under the weight of this one, fairly scary, assertion.

I'm exaggerating, of course. But you should read the comments online in the newspaper articles. They're going on about how she should be banned from working anymore, she's a slut and a whore, etc, etc. It's clearly joy that she got fired for daring to make one simple statement.

Let's say they'd be pleased if she broke an ankle and it hurt really bad. I'll retract the raped and murdered bit.
 
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Bill I just posted about her getting fired, no hidden anything here. I hust thought man are we getting so bad that we are just firing people just to fire.
 

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Bill I just posted about her getting fired, no hidden anything here. I hust thought man are we getting so bad that we are just firing people just to fire.

In that case, please accept my apologies! I read the title "Poor Miss California" as snarky, rather than humorous, and this is also popping up on the other discussion forums I frequent. Knee-jerk on my part, and I'm sorry about it.
 

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Bill I just posted about her getting fired, no hidden anything here. I hust thought man are we getting so bad that we are just firing people just to fire.


Terry, I think including the word "enjoy" in the OP may lead people to put a little more thought or second guessing about the purpose of the OP.
 
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Terry, I think including the word "enjoy" in the OP may lead people to put a little more thought or second guessing about the purpose of the OP.

Sorry about thst, I did not know everything else was going on with her.
 

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Ya know, I don't care either, and I personally think beauty pageants are stupid.

But in fact, people experience a certain evil glee when someone makes a very public point of expressing his or her moral conviction, and then is exposed as a hypocrite.

Like a married Congressman who is publicly against gay rights, but then solicits gay sex in a men's room.

Or like a prominent TV minister being exposed as an adulterer or an embezzler.

Or when someone publicly espouses the morality of her profound religious beliefs, but is discovered to have posed for "racy" photographs (something I also don't care about).

And that probably explains why some people have that sense of evil glee about Prejean.
 

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Ya know, I don't care either, and I personally think beauty pageants are stupid.

But in fact, people experience a certain evil glee when someone makes a very public point of expressing his or her moral conviction, and then is exposed as a hypocrite.

Like a married Congressman who is publicly against gay rights, but then solicits gay sex in a men's room.

Or like a prominent TV minister being exposed as an adulterer or an embezzler.

Or when someone publicly espouses the morality of her profound religious beliefs, but is discovered to have posed for "racy" photographs (something I also don't care about).

And that probably explains why some people have that sense of evil glee about Prejean.

All of those make sense, except Prejean. She did not espouse 'her profound religious beliefs' as I understand it, she said that in her opinion , marriage was between a man and a woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517215,00.html

"I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman," she said on the live broadcast. "No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."

She was excoriated in the press and by pro-gay marriage proponents for her views - simply for her views - if you'll recall.

Then, she was whipped in public yet again for her 'hypocrisy' of having posed for nude photos. What nude photos has to do with being against gay marriage, I don't know. Do you?

And even if her stance on marriage is based on a religious conviction, I still don't see the 'hypocrite' label - being religious hardly precludes someone from posing for nude photos or even doing porno, as far as I know.

I agree with you that beauty contests are stupid and pointless and I have no interest in them. I also had no knowledge of or interest in Prejean prior to the dustup that ensued when she said what she said during the beauty contest.

But I do not agree that her anti-gay marriage statement has anything to do with her nude photos or her religious convictions.
 

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Bill, welcome to the New America.

As dictated by the all powerful kingmaking (er, sorry, PRESIDENT-making.. for the moment) national media,

&#8226; the ONLY time intolerance is permitted is to denigrate and ridicule Christ, Christianity and traditional Christian beliefs

and

&#8226; the most heinous intolerance of all intolerance is not acknowledging the cultural superiority of homosexuality.

You will do well to remember these two key, important de facto edicts.

Miss California made the mistake of being on the wrong side of both of these. She's lucky she only lost her job.

;) :)
 

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If I talked to my boss the way Carrie Prejean did in these e-mails, I'd probably be fired too...

From: cprejeanXXXXSent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:57 AMTo: Keith LewisSubject: Re: Messages
You do not cooperate with me, and you pick and chose the the things YOU want me to do. That is not happening anymore. Stop speaking for me. I have MY own voice. What are u gonna do fire me for volunteering for the special olympics hahaha ur crazy No I am doing this appearance. You do not need details. Its for the SPECIAL OLYMPICS!!! You just need to know I will be doing it alright
You will not facilitate this appearance
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525726,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525728,00.html
 

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If I talked to my boss the way Carrie Prejean did in these e-mails, I'd probably be fired too...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525726,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525728,00.html

No doubt. I would not stick up for her losing her job. Sounds like she had it coming. My ire is directed at those who found it 'justice' that she lost her job, as righteous 'punishment' for being anti-gay marriage. It's not a crime to have that opinion. Yet.

Consider the term schadenfreude.
 

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Do you job and be worthy of your hire. If not move on. No big deal but at the same time I have a couple of questions that came to mind when I heard the story that the young lady was fired. I wondered how many other ladies with her position had been fired for the same offensives how many had missed even more appearances yet remained in their positions. More than that I wondered if the appearances were set before or after the controversy. If after, I wonder what the appearances were and if they were contrived to continue the controversy or to punish the young lady. If I disliked you, thought you were terrible but had control of your life I could surly make your job so difficult that you would want to leave or quit. I have to admit that I wondered what those events that she missed consisted of. Not that big of a deal, some jobs do not work out, move onward and upward. Some employees do not work out, move on and hire one better. In this situation, they did not pick their employee she won the position, and she apparently did not have any control over where she had to go and what she was expected to say other than to not show up. Bad situation for all that has now been seemingly resolved. That it makes the press is not surprising but does tell some about our society.

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My ire is directed at those who found it 'justice' that she lost her job, as righteous 'punishment' for being anti-gay marriage. It's not a crime to have that opinion. Yet.

Consider the term schadenfreude.

It is part of human nature Bill. A low form no doubt but natural and to be expected, that said I agree with the usefulness of highlighting it when it is seen or felt.

Regards
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Say what?

Oh, I don't personally believe this. I'm very much Old America (baseball, mom, apple pie, clinging to my religion and guns ;))

But what I wrote above is pretty what the national media are telling us, increasingly: that it is not only an acceptable lifestyle choice, but a superior one.
 
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