peace symbol = satan?

[Andrew Green]

DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- A homeowners' association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.
Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs.
He said some residents believed the wreath was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/peace.wreath.ap/index.html

...so Satan was in charge of that "Nuclear Disarmnement" movement that created the symbol? Or was satan a hippie?

 

[Lisa]

see this thread....

 

[Andrew Green]

bugger...

*hangs head in dup-poster shame*

 

[Touch Of Death]

I heared a cute saying the other day... "Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

 

[Makalakumu]

Well, cripes, lets use this thread to discuss the origins of the peace symbol!

http://www.nisbett.com/symbols/peace_sign.htm

"Known as the 'peace sign' throughout the 1960's and into the present day, this symbol is the Teutonic rune of death. 1950's peace advocate Gerald Holtom may have been commissioned by communist sympathiser Bertrand Russell to design a symbol to unite leftist peace marchers in 1958. It is clear that either Holtom or Russell deemed the Teutonic (Neronic) cross as the appropriate symbol for their cause.
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"Throughout the last 2,000 years this symbol has designated hatred of Christians. Nero, who despised Christians, crucified the Apostle Peter on a cross head downward. This hideous event resembled the Teutonic cross and became a popular pagan insignia of the day. Thereafter, this sign became known as the 'Neronic cross.'

"The symbol's origin in history proves it to be the visual mystic character for 'Aum' (the split 'Y'). This is the sacred word to the Hindu. Chanting 'Aum' is supposed to help awaken 'the serpent power of Brahma' at the base of the human spine. Occultist Albert Pike also identifies this symbol as mystical in his book on Freemasonry Morals and Dogma.
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The peace symbol (also called the "broken cross," "crow's foot," "witch's foot," "Nero Cross," "sign of the 'broken Jew,'" and the "symbol of the 'anti-Christ''') is actually a cross with the arms broken. It also signifies the "gesture of despair," and the "death of man.''

"The Germanic tribes who used it attributed strange and mystical properties to the sign. Such a 'rune' is said to have been used by 'black magicians' in pagan incantations and condemnations....To this very day the inverted broken cross--identical to the socialists' 'peace' symbol--is known in Germany as a 'todersrune,' or death rune. Not only was it ordered by Hitler's National Socialists that it must appear on German death notices, but it was part of the official inscription prescribed for the gravestones of Nazi officers of the dread SS. The symbol suited Nazi emphasis on pagan mysticism.''
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While I don't subscribe the Christian bias of this site, I do see some value in looking at the historical research they have presented. I find it very interesting that this traditional symbol of evil has been transmogrified.

 

[MA-Caver]

Nero, who despised Christians, crucified the Apostle Peter on a cross head downward.

The author needs to remember to add that Peter requested to be crucified in this manner because he didn't feel worthy enough to be crucified in the same way as his master.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter
Later traditions, originating in or recorded in the apocryphal Acts of Peter, say that the Romans crucified Peter upside down at his request, due to his wishing not to be equated with Jesus. Acts of Peter is also thought to be the source for the tradition about the famous phrase "Quo Vadis" (Where are you going?), a question that, according to this tradition, Peter, fleeing Rome to avoid execution, asked a vision of Jesus, and to which Jesus responded that he was "going to Rome, to be crucified again", causing Peter to decide to return to the city and accept martyrdom.

Either way the peace symbol has probably been used for a long time for a lot of different reasons... same with the infamous swastika was initally used as a symbol of good fortune

Also from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वस्ितक svastika, from su "well", and asti "being", thus "good fortune" or "well-being") is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (&#21325 or right-facing (&#21328 direction. The swastika is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Odinism.[1] The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.

So people can interpret a symbol anyway they like but it doesn't necessarily mean what they think it means.
Another case in point... here in America the middle finger gesture is supposedly rude but in Japan among the deaf, it's the sign for brother. Go figure huh?
So does the peace symbol, the upside-down broken armed cross equate to a symbol of satanism? If someone wants to interpret it that way they could. I don't but someone else could. I mean... it's a free country isn't it?

 

[Cruentus]

So the jury is finally out...

Satan is a hippie!

 

[Andrew Green]

Well, cripes, lets use this thread to discuss the origins of the peace symbol!

http://www.nisbett.com/symbols/peace_sign.htm

I'd like to see a more credible source, Fundamentalist Christians calling a hippie symbol a evil symbol adopted by Communists (also evil of course) just comes across as propaganda against those devil worshipping, flower loving, sex crazy God defying, pot smoking devil worshiping hippies....

Research should entail references and sources, there are none.

The same site also tells me that Santa is based on the Pagan god Thor, and that Evolution does not stand up to scientific scrutuny in the same way Creationism does... so I got some credibility issues here

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This new "Disney" phenomenon is another slick production of "raw idolatry" dressed up in the garb of entertainment for children. Apparently, they (Disney) believe it's okay to produce entertainment for children that glorifies a baboon shaman and his witchdoctor methods and to promote the worship of a sun god. A true picture of Christianity would surely be out of their interest. All of the idolatry of this production is so neatly concealed in dramatic imagery that it blinds all but the most careful observer. To show Christianity in a favourable light would be giving preferential treatment to the churches of Jesus Christ, but to show idolatry favourably is considered acceptable.

The entire script of "The Lion King" is a carefully orchestrated picture of a pagan society with animals as the actors. Everything from the king and his heir down to the witchdoctor is acted out in the panorama of idolatry and pagan bondages. The struggle between good and bad IS a classic occultic picture of black and white magic. Even the relationship of the king and his evil brother draws attention to the pagan suggestion that Jesus and Satan were brothers. Satan has historically obscured much of his activity as white magic. Witches will often disavow any belief in Satan and deny they are less than a legitimate church. It's the ultimate lie.

http://www.nisbett.com/child-ent/lion_king.htm

Right... credibility... Lion King is a conspiracy to promote new age paganism... oky doky

 

[Makalakumu]

I'd like to see a more credible source, Fundamentalist Christians calling a hippie symbol a evil symbol adopted by Communists (also evil of course) just comes across as propaganda against those devil worshipping, flower loving, sex crazy God defying, pot smoking devil worshiping hippies....

Research should entail references and sources, there are none.

The same site also tells me that Santa is based on the Pagan god Thor, and that Evolution does not stand up to scientific scrutuny in the same way Creationism does... so I got some credibility issues here

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http://www.nisbett.com/child-ent/lion_king.htm

Right... credibility... Lion King is a conspiracy to promote new age paganism... oky doky

Even a clock is "right" twice a day.

Regardless, Santa Claus is a representation of either Thor or Odin and Albert Pike and others have correctly identified the origins of the Peace Symbol. If the Christians want to make a big deal out of its occult origins, so what? It is still occult.

 

[heretic888]

If the Christians want to make a big deal out of its occult origins, so what? It is still occult.

The same could be said for virtually all symbols from antiquity.

 

[Andrew Green]

I'd also wonder about independent origins, the basic design of the peace symbol is rather simple, it quite easily could have been used for different things completely independent of the others.

 

[FearlessFreep]

Kinda interesting that a few weeks ago we wsere talking about the origins of Christmas and how that symbology relates to today's culture and now we are talking about a given symbol and how it's meaning may have been one thing at one time and another at another.

I gotta admit that if Christians claim that the peace symbol is a satanic symbol because of what the symbol meant a long time ago, then they should be consistant and admit that the same applies to Christmas trees, etc...

 

[Bigshadow]

I'd also wonder about independent origins, the basic design of the peace symbol is rather simple, it quite easily could have been used for different things completely independent of the others.

I believe if you flip it upside down it is the celtic rune for the tree of life, which is used even today in various circles.

 

[donald]

I think it means what you intend it to mean. I don't worship no tree, but I do have one at Christmas. Its pretty, and it smells nice. I don't believe my Lord Jesus is offended. There are some of the faith(pentecostal christians) who absolutely reject the idea of having a Christmas tree in their home, and thats okay. It is their conviction/opinion. Which by GOD's grace we can freely express in our nation. Same goes for the flier of the "peace symbol" . If they have not signed some kind of Home Owner's Association agreement. That forbids the showing of such a thing on their property. They should be left alone.

1stJohn1:9

 

[MA-Caver]

I think it means what you intend it to mean. I don't worship no tree, but I do have one at Christmas. Its pretty, and it smells nice. I don't believe my Lord Jesus is offended. There are some of the faith(pentecostal christians) who absolutely reject the idea of having a Christmas tree in their home, and thats okay. It is their conviction/opinion. Which by GOD's grace we can freely express in our nation. Same goes for the flier of the "peace symbol" . If they have not signed some kind of Home Owner's Association agreement. That forbids the showing of such a thing on their property. They should be left alone.

1stJohn1:9

Sad state of affairs when you gotta be part of an association that tells you what you can and can't put out in front of your yard. Does this mean plastic pink flamingos and little garden gnomes too? How about those campaign signs put in by politicians (with home-owner's approval of course)? Just lak down hear in the south, cain't put up da rebel flag no 'mo because of it's ties to slavery and the confederacy.
But what about other christmasy themed displays? Naivity scenes that might offend the atheist (or two) living in the area?


Can't we all... just get along? ~Rodney King

 

[Bigshadow]

I think the whole thing is silly!

 

[MA-Caver]

I think the whole thing is silly!

Probably the most sensible thing said on this thread to date. Kudos. :asian:

 

[Lisa]

I think the whole thing is silly!

YES! Why do people get so carried away with this ****?

 

[Bigshadow]

YES! Why do people get so carried away with this ****?

Those people remind me of what we see the people of the dark ages like, with all their superstisions and silly notions.

 

[exile]

YES! Why do people get so carried away with this ****?

I suspect it's because the really important stuff is too difficult/disturbing/threatening to think about. As we used to say, do sweat the small stuff...

...much more satisfying to get worked up about something that in the end isn't going to bite you, one way or the other.