Does punching vertically really decrease the chances of breaking your hands? How do you do so when you hit that way?

Wing Woo Gar

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I can punch both vertical fist and horizontal fist with that elbow down. We teach beginners the horizontal fist and require the elbow down.
Yes! Thank you! I am shocked to see how rare this is in ma gyms. People with black belts that cant make a proper fist are also usually unable to keep elbow pointed down during a flat punch. This is really foundational beginner training.
 

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Yes! Thank you! I am shocked to see how rare this is in ma gyms. People with black belts that cant make a proper fist are also usually unable to keep elbow pointed down during a flat punch. This is really foundational beginner training.
I've seen MA experts make fists a lot of different ways. So what's a "proper fist" to you?
 

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And that in Okinawan GoJu is where you begin to learn power distribution and economy of motion. "Big circular moves become small".... As in all blocks are taught large and circular, but end up, as parry or deflects..............or, strikes)
yeah they practice sticking hands too.
 

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Wado Ryu is also a great school of Karate, shindo yoshin-ryu in there. sabaki to increase power. also to avoid and counter.
 

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yeah they practice sticking hands too.
Yes, Tensho kata taught just before BB translates to revolving hands, rotating palms or turning palms. This kata emphasizes the soft aspects of GoJu Ryu, and encompasses continuous, flowing movements....as you mentioned above.
 

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I've seen MA experts make fists a lot of different ways. So what's a "proper fist" to you?
Im specifically talking about a flat punch here. I use several different fists in different forms. Leopard, ginger, hawk beak, mantis beak, etc. We were discussing elbow flare and vertical vs. horizontal (flat punch). elbow flare and a balled up fist (with 5th metacarpal dropped below the others) is how people fracture the 4th and 5th metacarpals( commonly called a boxers fracture) when striking. Boxers tape and wrap to prevent this and other injuries. The same result can be achieved by training the hand to stay in a similar position, and not allowing elbow flare. In MOST fist configurations the dorsal aspect of the hand should be level or flat, meaning that all knuckles line up on the same plane. This structure splints the 5th metacarpal helping to prevent fracture during a strike. This description is not complete, the thumb and saddle joint position are also important, as well as maintaining a space inside the fist and a straight, engaged wrist. I could go on and on about this. Does that help explain my comment? I am happy to elaborate if you like my boring dissertation and want more. Its far easier to describe it in person than to describe it in text, so this may be lacking some details. Please weigh in on this.
 

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Yes, Tensho kata taught just before BB translates to revolving hands, rotating palms or turning palms. This kata emphasizes the soft aspects of GoJu Ryu, and encompasses continuous, flowing movements....as you mentioned above.
I only saw it at a dojo but never tried it. I did however train in Wado Ryu.
 

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Is it wrong to turn your elbow joint side way when you throw a straight punch?

Sometime you want to change your straight punch into a spiral punch. You have to turn your elbow joint sideway.
 

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I've seen MA experts make fists a lot of different ways. So what's a "proper fist" to you?
From my secret private vault. This is such advanced level kung fu, I might catch a curse even sharing it.
 

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