Chin-na ???

[Shotochem]

Hi All,

I am going to be having an opportuniy to attend a seminar on Chin-na and possibly attend a class or 2 a month as well. Do any of you have any experience in this art? and How does it compare to Japanese Jujitsu, Aki jitsu, or BJJ? I am unfamiliar with most of the Chinese styles as I have studied Shotokan previously and am now studying Kempo.

Thanks,
-Marc-

 

[tshadowchaser]

Hope your wrists are flexable and your fingers as well. It can be a painful art to learn but it seems to have much to offer from what I have seen

 

[7starmantis]

Who is teaching the seminar you are attending if I may ask?

 

[SFC JeffJ]

A lot of Japanese Jujutsu and the Aiki arts come from ChiNa. It's brutal stuff. Lots of what they call "Cavity Strikes" in there as well. The setups are a little different than the Japanese stuff, but it's a pretty easy transition to make.

Jeff

 

[Xue Sheng]

How does it compare to Japanese Jujitsu, Aki jitsu, or BJJ?

It is more painful and less civilized, not that the styles you have listed are not very capable of causing great pain.

And most Chinese styles have at least a little Qinna (Chin-na) in them, some more than others.

Many Qinna applications you cannot use it a sports event. Basic definition of Qinna - joint locking and muscle and tendon tearing.

 

[edwardcloud]

Chin Na is very good technique. Too bad no one is teaching in my country.

 

[jdinca]

You're going to love it! Well, your wrists, elbows and shoulders maybe not so much. I've attended a number of chin na seminars and have found them very beneficial. We include quite a bit in our system, so focusing on those type of moves have helped quite a bit.

 

[Ronnin]

I've been looking for a Chin-na school in the Orange County area, does anyone know of any ? Thanks.

 

[mantis]

Chin Na is very good technique. Too bad no one is teaching in my country.

tsk tsk tsk... im sure you didnt mean that! every kung fu style has quite a bit of qinna in it already. review all your techniques slowly and you'll find it everywhere

 

[Shotochem]

Who is teaching the seminar you are attending if I may ask?

I will get the names when I go to my next class. I was more excited about trying something new than with the name of the instructor. I am terrible with names and my spelling and pronounciation can be just as bad. I am quite sure Prof. Rich brought in a top quality instructor he always does.:ultracool

I have dabbled in JJJ, BJJ, and other assorted arts seminars and as I stated before have mainly trained in Shotokan, so I do not Know much about the Chinese arts. What I have seen in my current dojo is a pretty diverse blend of arts as we are Kempo from the Kajukempo line and our style has the elements of Karate, BJJ, Chinese boxing and KF.

I have heard that once you get a taste of Chinese MA in 15 min you will be hungry to learn more....... Is it true? :wink1:

 

[Brother John]

Chin-Na can be roughly translated to "Seize and control"...which I think is a pretty decent explanation of how it functions. Chin-Na is the element from within MOST Chinese systems that addresses grappling and anti-grapling movements, though it also addresses striking as well. Joint manipulation is what it really specializes in, torquing joints to the point that the 'chain' is pulled tight...resulting in not only your wrist or elbow being 'locked' but every joint up the line until the defender controls every joint from there to the spine itself; when they control the spine....they've GOT you.

Here are the areas of study that Chin-Na addresses:

"Fen Jin": Dividing the Muscle/Tendons

"Cuo Gu": Misplacing the Bones

"Dian Xue": Cavity Press

"Na Mai": Grabbing & Sealing Arteries/Chi Meridians

"Zhua Jin": Seizing Tendons

"Bi Qi": Sealing the Breath

Many here have talked about how "Your wrists and fingers are going to work"....
and they are right (START stretching the wrists & fingers NOW...and don't stop if you can help it) , but why stop there? The wrist and finger Chin-Na techniques are things the study is famous for...and they work GREAT, but it hardly stops there. There are Chin-Na of knees, ankles, shoulders, the neck....etc.
Basically: in my study of Chin-Na I've learned at least this...IF you can move it....your instructor can Grasp it, twist it, fold it and yank it from it's root. (usually all of the above) Once...when my instructor had my arms and legs immobilized with one of his legs and one of his arms (a very efficient art)...he jokingly said..."HEY..I've got one hand left....hrmmmm....what else can I grab" ((while tears were coming to my eyes))...he reached down and squeezed and turned my nose giving a Mr. Miyagi "HRRRM" honk.
nice...

Anyway. I'm not a know it all. I got my Chinese words right above by refering to my class textbook that I got from my Sifu...
"Comprehensive Applications of Shaolin Chin-Na" by Dr. Yang Jwing - Ming.
He is, in my humble opinion, the FINEST Chin-Na instructor doing seminars. If it's one of HIS seminars........PAY KEEN attention to everything...he's a master! Even if it's NOT his seminar, get this or one of MR. Yang's other books...you can't go wrong with his works!!! www.ymaa.com

Also: there's LOTS of people out there teaching Chin-Na...yet they don't study any other TCMA!!!! I'd not trust them so much really. Not that they might not know what they are talking about, but that it starts from the very beginning being highly suspect. As one of my MORE informed brothers above already made mention... Chin-Na is a STUDY that comes from w/in the majority of the traditional Chinese Martial Arts (TCMA). Ones Chin-Na would be flavored or intimately linked to the martial art from which it was extracted. Dr. Yang's comes from a few TCMA such as Taijiquan and White Crane, and then some. There's also Hung Gar Chin-Na, Jow Ga Chin-Na, Choy Li Fut Chin-Na...etc..
My own theory is that it's an ingredient within 99.9% of TCMA, but that somewhere along the line some students either weren't taught that "THese grab & twist techniques are called something different"....or that they simply never learned it....which is possible. (but unfortunate)

I hope I've helped you understand. There's those here who know a Great deal more, but aren't as WORDY as your brother John....


Enjoy!!


Your Brother
John
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[profesormental]

Greetings.

I agree with Brother John. Get Dr. YAng's books and if you can go to a seminar.

Very methodical and thorough research has been documented by him. I've learned a lot from his written and video works.

Sincerely,

Juan M. Mercado

 

[Shotochem]

Who is teaching the seminar you are attending if I may ask?

7star, the class will be conducter by a Master Yeung (sp?) who is a Master in White Crane. Are you familiar with him?

-Marc-

 

[Mariachi Joe]

Hey good luck and enjoy the seminar

 

[PeaceWarrior]

our instructor is very advanced in joint locking (chin na, aikido) and I will have to agree 100% with whats been said, namely, if you dont have flexible joints, START STRETCHING NOW

it can be very very painful, but chin na can be invaluable in an altercation where you dont want to beat the guys face in. However it takes great skill (speed, power, sensitivity) to pull a lot of the techniques off.

Good luck my friend!

Peace
Keith

 

[edwardcloud]

tsk tsk tsk... im sure you didnt mean that! every kung fu style has quite a bit of qinna in it already. review all your techniques slowly and you'll find it everywhere

A bit but a specialist who is good at the Chinese Chin Na is what i hope to find...

 

[Xue Sheng]

A bit but a specialist who is good at the Chinese Chin Na is what i hope to find...

It is true that Qinna is in just about every CMA to varying degrees but there are also people that are masters of Qinna. I know of 2 and I know there are more and most unfortunately I can only remember the name of one right now and that is Yang Jwing-Ming. However before I am jumped on I do know that most of his Qinna comes from White Crane but he has worked a lot on Qinna applications by themselves.

Also if you can find someone that has training in Non-sports Sanshou/Sanda (the police/Military version) there is a lot of Qinna in that as well.

By the way what country are you in?

 

[jdinca]

Second degree bb in our system deals quite heavily in chin na. We learned a couple of techniques on our last instructor workout. It's very humbling when a proper flip of the wrist puts you face down on the mat and you wish you could have gotten there sooner...

 

[pstarr]

The system that I teach, Yiliquan, employs 36 throws and 18 chin-na techniques- all Chinese styles utilize chin-na to some degree.

 

[7starmantis]

Thats true, we have 72 chin na techniques in the 7 star system as well.