ABCNEWS holding on to new Terror tape

[Jeff Boler]

From the Drudgereport...

ABCNEWS HOLDS TERROR WARNING TAPE

**Exclusive**

In the last week before the election, ABCNEWS is holding a videotaped message from a purported al Qaeda terrorist warning of a new attack on America, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The terrorist claims on tape the next attack will dwarf 9/11. "The streets will run with blood," and "America will mourn in silence" because they will be unable to count the number of the dead. Further claims: America has brought this on itself for electing George Bush who has made war on Islam by destroying the Taliban and making war on Al Qaeda.

ABCNEWS strongly denies holding the tape back from broadcast over political concerns during the last days of the election.

The CIA is analyzing the tape, a top federal source tells the DRUDGE REPORT.

ABCNEWS obtained the tape from a source in Waziristan, Pakistan over the weekend, sources tells DRUDGE.

"We have been working 24 hours a day trying to authenticate [the tape]," a senior ABCNEWS source said Wednesday morning.

The terrorist's face is concealed by a head dress, and he speaks in an American accent, making it difficult to identify the individual.

US intelligence officials believe the man on tape may be Adam Gadhan - aka Adam Pearlman, a California native who was highlighted by the FBI in May as an individual most likely to be involved in or have knowledge of the next al Qaeda attacks.

According to the FBI, Gadahn, 25, attended al-Qaida training camps and served as an al-Qaida translator.

The disturbing tape runs an hour -- the man simply identifies himself as 'Assam the American.'

Wow, anyone else surprised? Five outta five terrorists agree, John Kerry for President.

 

[PeachMonkey]

Wow, anyone else surprised? Five outta five terrorists agree, John Kerry for President.

I'm not sure I follow your (or any) argument here, other than the ridiculous claim that vote for Kerry = vote for terrorists.

 

[Jeff Boler]

I'm not sure I follow your (or any) argument here, other than the ridiculous claim that vote for Kerry = vote for terrorists.

Wow, that's amazing. I looked through my post, and I don't see where I said that. What I did say is that the majority of the terrorists prefer Kerry over Bush in the upcoming election. You are inferring something that I never stated.

 

[PeachMonkey]

Wow, that's amazing. I looked through my post, and I don't see where I said that. What I did say is that the majority of the terrorists prefer Kerry over Bush in the upcoming election. You are inferring something that I never stated.

I guess I was looking too hard for a coherent thought.

So how does one infer, from one video tape that ABCNEWS may or may not hold, that the majority of terrorists prefer Kerry?

 

[Jeff Boler]

America has brought this on itself for electing George Bush who has made war on Islam by destroying the Taliban and making war on Al Qaeda.

You haven't heard similar comments coming out of the mouths of terrorists, or organizations that support them?

 

[Flatlander]

You haven't heard similar comments coming out of the mouths of terrorists, or organizations that support them?

It doesn't matter. You have drawn an illogical conclusion from the statement. It would be more reasonable to infer that:

-This particular terrorist dislikes George Bush. That he prefers J. Kerry does not follow from this inference.

- This particular terrorist dislikes America for electing Bush, given the decisions he has made subsequent to his being elected. That he prefers J. Kerry does not follow here either.

In fact, if we infer that this terrorist dislikes America for what has already been done (destroy Taliban, war on Al Qaida), then why should we assume that any choice in the election would make a difference? What's done is done.

 

[qizmoduis]

A couple things:

1. Drudge Report is about as reliable as The Onion for real news.
2. Bush is a terrorist's wet dream - he's their best recruiting tool. Iraq is their new, US funded training camp. Bush, in his dimwitted incompetence, played their tune like he was a marionette from Team America. Of COURSE they want him re-elected.

Unfortunately, due to Bush's disaster in Iraq and his insane behavior in general, electing Kerry won't really slow them down. That will take decades.

 

[rmcrobertson]

"Five outta five terrorists agree: John Kerry for President."

Congrats, Mr. Boler. That's precisely the kind of hateful claptrap that's really going to help WHOEVER gets elected govern fairly and democratically, with due respect for people of different political views.

But I'm sure you're right; the guy who actually went to Vietnam and got shot at for his country, then spoke his mind later when it was dangerous and inconvenient to do so, well, that's the guy who's most likely to betray his country's principles and Constitution, as well as sell out the safety of our citizens.

Ya know, buddy, why don't you just attack his ideas and programs and let it go at that? I realize that you're in a long proud tradition of lunacy in American political rants that traces back through the scummy likes of Richard Nixon, Strom Thurmond, Joe McCarthy and Senator Bilbo back into the assorted nutcases who published the pornographic broadsheets attacking King George during the Revolution, but did it ever occur to you that these sorts of nasty little assertions are a little dangerous for our democracy?

'Course not. After all, you saw, "Red Dawn," and you know what happens when lib'rals get into power.

 

[Phoenix44]

Sorry to muddy the waters again with facts. With known Al Qaeda cells in Canada, there is only one border patrol agent for every five miles of our northern border. Oregon has 296 miles of coastline, but the Oregon State Police Force has been reduced 20% in recent years. Only 2% of cargo containers are inspected at our ports. Federal funding for community police officers and fire departments has been cut. Federal funding for first responder training, exercise, and technical assistance has been cut. Intelligence-gathering, analysis and enforcement is still fragmentary. Thousands of Americans may die this year because the Bush Administration cannot assure us a supply of flu vaccine--let alone protection against bio-terror. Bush has underfunded programs to secure and de-activate nuclear materials remaining from the Cold War. Instead of spending the billions needed to address these problems, Bush has chosen to give tax breaks to corporations and the wealthiest Americans. Bush was so busy securing his oil fields, that he failed to secure 380 TONS of explosives, which are probably killing and maiming our troops right now--not to mention what could be brewing right here in the US.

As far as I know, the only actual endorsement of a candidate by a terrorist organization was by Abu Hafs al-Masri, the Al Qaeda-linked group responsible for the Madrid bombings last March. Their statement, which is believed to be authentic, said "We are very keen that Bush does not lose the upcoming elections," because Bush's "idiocy and religious fanaticism" would "wake up" the Islamic world.

And I'm supposed to feel SAFE with Bush in office?

 

[Jeff Boler]

"Five outta five terrorists agree: John Kerry for President."

Congrats, Mr. Boler. That's precisely the kind of hateful claptrap that's really going to help WHOEVER gets elected govern fairly and democratically, with due respect for people of different political views.

No, it's a statement of fact. Let's poll the terrorists and see who they prefer. Then ask them why.

But I'm sure you're right; the guy who actually went to Vietnam and got shot at for his country, then spoke his mind later when it was dangerous and inconvenient to do so, well, that's the guy who's most likely to betray his country's principles and Constitution, as well as sell out the safety of our citizens.

Oh please, let's not get into Mr. Kerry's time in Vietnam. Swift Boat Veteran's for Truth? Ring a bell. As for betraying his countries principles and constitution, he did that when he returned from Vietnam, and started his "Anti-war" political future. What about the soldiers in Vietnam he betrayed?

Ya know, buddy, why don't you just attack his ideas and programs and let it go at that? I realize that you're in a long proud tradition of lunacy in American political rants that traces back through the scummy likes of Richard Nixon, Strom Thurmond, Joe McCarthy and Senator Bilbo back into the assorted nutcases who published the pornographic broadsheets attacking King George during the Revolution, but did it ever occur to you that these sorts of nasty little assertions are a little dangerous for our democracy?

I would love to attack his ideas, unfortunately, I don't know what they are now, as they change daily. You're going to sit there and preach to me about a guy who says he can't comment on hypothetical situations (in this case, the war in Iraq), but then turns around and says that he has a plan? Please....

'Course not. After all, you saw, "Red Dawn," and you know what happens when lib'rals get into power.

Ah, this is not a liberal vs conservative issue. This is about a guy who can't clearly define what his position is on any one thing. There are a lot of things I don't like about Bush at all, but at least I have an idea about what he truly believes.

 

[PeachMonkey]

No, it's a statement of fact. Let's poll the terrorists and see who they prefer. Then ask them why.

Are you then advocating allowing terrorists to dictate our choice of government?

Swift Boat Veteran's for Truth?

... thoroughly debunked in threads on this site, and other locations.

As for betraying his countries principles and constitution, he did that when he returned from Vietnam, and started his "Anti-war" political future.

So being anti-war is a betrayal of the constitution and the principles of the US? How so?

What about the soldiers in Vietnam he betrayed?

I think it is more accurate to say soldiers in Vietnam were betrayed by the leaders who wasted their lives than by people who spoke out against the war.

I would love to attack his ideas, unfortunately, I don't know what they are now, as they change daily.

Again, this has been debunked on this site. To learn about a candidate, you might try paying attention to more than Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

This is about a guy who can't clearly define what his position is on any one thing.

...unless, of course, you actually pay attention.

 

[Flatlander]

There are a lot of things I don't like about Bush at all, but at least I have an idea about what he truly believes.

And are you comfortable with what you think he believes?

 

[Flatlander]

No, it's a statement of fact.

Sorry, but no. See my previous post wherein I demonstrate the fallacy of your position.

 

[rmcrobertson]

OK, let's instead talk about George Bush Jr.'s record in Vietnam....oops, wait, my bad, I forgot...

Hey, here's a quote from Lucian Truscott IV's "Full Dress Grey," you might like (Truscott retired from the Army as a captain, and you might wanna look up his dad and granddad):

"Congressman Thrunstone, you saw your duty to your nation when you turned eighteen and you registered for the draft, and you shirked it." (346)

Oh, and speaking of Americanness and our history, hey, Mr. Boler, when John Kerry got back from Vietnam? And joined the VVAW? And helped run what were called the "Winter Soldier," hearings?

Pop quiz: why were they called that?

The title comes from Thomas Paine, atheist, one of those founding fathers we keep hearing about from Bush and Cheney et al (though oddly enough, not from Colin Powell, the ONE member of the Cabinet who served)--it's in, if I recollect, the passage that starts out, "These are the times that try men's souls..."

This has been a completely-unfair post. I just get tired of the attacks on people who, for all their flaws, have spent their lives trying to serve their country.

 

[Jeff Boler]

This has been a completely-unfair post. I just get tired of the attacks on people who, for all their flaws, have spent their lives trying to serve their country.

Well I'm glad to see that we agree about something.

 

[rmcrobertson]

Yes, we do.

It's why I have problems with guys who used their daddy's influence to get into Yale, used their daddy's influence to get into the Guard, used their daddy's influence to start several failed oil businesses, used their daddy's influence to borrow money to buy a baseball team, used Jesus to change their lives in 1987, then turn around and attack the patriotism and public service record of a Vietnam vet, political activist, State prosecutor, lieutenant governor, and US Senator who, whatever his mistakes (and there are a passel of 'em), has spent his life since 1967 serving his country.

 

[Phoenix44]

rmcrobertson, peach monkey, I don't know how you do it. I guess you're better than I am. I'm fried. I can no longer attempt to engage an individual in intelligent conversation who is not interested in the issues, lacks the intellectual curiosity to research the facts and learn the candidates' positions, and prefers quips and slogans to facts.

 

[michaeledward]

As for betraying his countries principles and constitution, ..... What about the soldiers in Vietnam he betrayed?

What of the soldiers currently serving in Iraq ... Did the Administration betray them, sending them in to a country that did not pose a threat the United States?

I would love to attack his ideas, unfortunately, I don't know what they are now, as they change daily. You're going to sit there and preach to me about a guy who says he can't comment on hypothetical situations (in this case, the war in Iraq), but then turns around and says that he has a plan?

Please see the thread 'Convince Me, too' in the study. It lists a number of positions taken by the Senator Candidate. Review those positions and compare them to the statements you hear in the news.

Further, if you want to understand what it is you are attacking, I would suggest you download and read 'Our Plan for America'. It spells out the Senator Candidates positions and goals for governance. You can purchase the book at major bookstores or Amazon Dot Com.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1586483145/qid=1098905938/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-3189603-1664960?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

You can also download it for free, from the John Kerry Website.

http://www.johnkerry.com/plan/


Anyone who states they do not know the Senator Candidate's positions, is just stating that they have not made the effort to know the Senator Candidate's positions.

 

[rmcrobertson]

Weel, personally I'm absurdly stubborn and I too like quips and slogans.

 

[Phoenix44]

Weel, personally I'm absurdly stubborn and I too like quips and slogans.

People who know the facts are entitled to quips and slogans.