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Coincidentally, Tuhon Torres is also under Sayoc Kali. --Rafael-- Sayoc Kali

I just wanted to add that Krishna Godhania is also the Sayoc Kali representative in the UK. I just trained with him two weeks ago at Sama Sama. He's highly recommended.! --Rafael-- Sayoc Kali

That's incorrect. The field of battle was even with Humabon having an equal number of rival natives to support Magellan. Magellan in his hubris CHOSE to fight with fewer men. It has nothing to do with FMA techniques per se, but how history is recorded so that students of FMA can have a better...

In Sayoc we have had skirmishes of up to a hundred people, sometimes separating them into several groups all using action flex on an uneven terrain. We've also done them in gymnasiums on smooth surfaces. Using many training modifiers. I won't go into much detail here (it's much better to...

Thanks Mr. Hartman. I've been a member for awhile now but have only contributed on historical threads. If anyone thought this thread was heated, they should venture to the debates I've had with some Western Martial Arts experts who thought the Filipinos were conquered by the Toledo Blade...

Work modular... take what you learn from the 'fight' data and then add it to the other scenarios or training drills. If one doesn't have the correct responses in the fight section of their training, by lumping it in on the broader scenarios - it will dilute the necessary skills one has to learn...

Thanks for the offer. We try not to place the 'Invisibles' on any of our public venues, even if we had the tech (which we can on still pics). On the motion stuff, we take your first option, by just taking them out entirely. This way we don't risk anything. Little minute surface skin details or...

What do you do if they are in the background of a moving picture or if they are the participants of said film? We don't have the tech to blur images. The best option is to edit them out. What if the two individuals were edited merely for redundancy and dvd space? By counting them, the...

Here's a reason: In our system we have group pics after closed seminars and events. You often see eighty people, but that may be half of who were really there. Unlike what some folks are accustomed to, Sayoc events sometimes have individuals who have jobs that don't allow their identities to...

We KNOW that's 'all you need to know'... that's what causes a false premise. We KNOW you 'Got it'. That's the problem. It's a probe. Sensationalism would not include blatant inconsistencies on the following sentence. We would have stated that submission was NOT allowed. Which of...

In Sayoc Kali, due to SK's CQ knife training the corto range is what many of our guys excel at. Therefore tendency is to engage in what one knows best. However, after one does enough padded/armored stick fighting, they realize that with longer weapons and almost equal skill sets, staying at that...

Andy, there are no plans to bring Sama Sama down south - the majority of instructors are up north and the logistics these days would be tougher for them to make the trip. Btw, I saw Travis this weekend at Instructor camp, and he showed us the panther teeth holes in his shirt. (no that is NOT...

Yes. Tuhon Ray is one of the best stick and blade instructors in the world. Anyone who has a chance to train with him is a lucky person. In the late 80's and early 90's we used to travel up and down the East coast trying to promote the FMAs. We used to enter as many MA tournaments to...

And I am stating is that you are limited in understanding the USAGE of rattan in FMA training we incorporate and continue to retread the same issue that MOST of the readers and FMAs UNIVERSALLY understand. Well that's another 'IF' that is incorrect. Others here have UNDERSTOOD my plain...

Thanks Gary. I respect the fact that you kept your mind open and kept the discussion from the spiraling from a negative to something productive. I will be gone without email access on a special project, and hopefully if anyone else wants to discuss anything about Sayoc they ask Guro Steve L...

It all goes back to your initial posts when you linked a car to a rattan stick as an impact weapon. If you can NOT distinguish the difference between a historically verified TRAINING tool for the MAJORITY of FMAs ie: rattan stick, and equate said rattan stick (that WE used in the event) to...

Yes, that is the norm of most research on close quarter stick. We are developing ways (or maybe 'uncovering') to make the stick useful in a close quarter environment that doesn't involve trying to get an impact strike at such a range. A punyo may be effective but to an LEO is it counter...

Social /legal context ALL depend on whether or not your premise is TRUE. Anyone can argue social/legal context. However, one of the main elements of making a VALID social/legal argument is if the basis of your contention was based on something that is TRUE. What would be a FALSE premise...

I give you the benefit of the doubt and treat this as a serious inquiry to keep the thread productive. The focus of the event was not focused on that. However, in the field the Sayoc tactics have been HIGHLY effective against the unconventional, because OUR tactics are sound and researched...

No problem. You have some good questions. No one claimed the wheel being reinvented in terms of how the event was what 'WE' in the FMA call training. 'We" was used to cover that this isn't something new, but some techniques and moves might need closer scrutiny to see if they may be effective...

We all read what you said initially. Then you tried to imply I was here to answer them. You never followed up on a DIRECT contact. Yes I have, you don't like the answers. No one ever said YOU have to get hit in the head. We don't have to prove our training methods to you if they are...

hello, There were limitations, since there's the ability to call the action off at any time (by yourself, the other fighter or a third party) and submit. Others chimed in and force teamed the no limitations rule on here, and did more to add to the confusion. The option of submitting or quitting...

LOL.. we said we were good but not THAT good! --Rafael--

Lots of IFs again. Sorry if calling you 'timid' and hurt your feelings. When I demonize people I usually go for the jugular and call them timid. Well, if you SAW the footage you would actually give many of us here a break and understand that editing long pauses between fights, setting up...

Thanks for the comments Rich and Mike. Btw, as I stated Rich, we told people BEFORE they ever left their house what the purpose of the training was for. So you wouldn't have to make any reservations for hotels etc. if that was a conflict. Those unseen on the DVD and such may or may not...

Let me get this straight, Paul. I was NOT on this forum thread til AFTER the event happened. How can I answer any of your inquiries? You were given a DIRECT link to the person (still not ME) who was ORGANIZING the event. Yet somehow you feel that I somehow evaded your first question...

We disagree, I think people who SERIOUSLY want to know will make the personal contactif they are given it. It is the next progression. Sooner or later you have to make that direct coontact and what better way than to contact the organizer directly. People who are too timid to ask are not going...

I think you do not WANT to see. It is 'perceived' because nothing of the sort that you mentioned as a given has happened for several decades now. This wasn't a fight club thing that you ran with in your own mind. Sure you are. You're also telling EVERYONE else here what to do. Do it YOUR...

You sure make a lot of false assumptions Paul. 1. No one was injured seriously 2. We had precautions set up 3. Therefore, there isn't this PHANTOM murder case you keep trying as a pseudo internet prosecutor. Why should anyone need to 'step up' to your own pile of BS? Btw, I still...

That's a false premise. Do you train in FMA at all? --Rafael--