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  1. TimoS

    Why Traditional Karate Is Not Effective for Self-Defense

    Might be interesting to see what weird stuff you’ve come across. I know there’s plenty of FBSD (fantasy based self defense) out there :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  2. TimoS

    Okinawan Karate, what style do you train in and what differences do you see

    Which branch of the Shorin tree? By that I mean which lineage? Does your Shorin ryu trace it’s lineage to Kyan, Chibana or someone else? Personally I’ve been doing Kyan’s karate for 17 or 18 years, first a Japanese version before switching to Seibukan. I still consider myself a beginner :)...
  3. TimoS

    Kanryo Higaonna naha-te

    To me, that sounds quite logical. I mean, look at Kojo ryu. I think it was considered a dead style, but if I've understood things correctly, there are now two very different karate styles that go by that name and claim to teach the original Kojo family style. To my understanding about the only...
  4. TimoS

    Why Traditional Karate Is Not Effective for Self-Defense

    The thread that refuses to die :D Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  5. TimoS

    The REAL Story of Karate

    Resurrected from death :D
  6. TimoS

    The REAL Story of Karate

    Yes, I know, it's a zombie art that doesn't have much to do with whatever it was all those centuries ago Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  7. TimoS

    Why Traditional Karate Is Not Effective for Self-Defense

    What does any of this bickering have to do with the actual topic?
  8. TimoS

    The REAL Story of Karate

    How can you compare to Pankration (which is what I think you mean by Pancratiu) when it hasn't existed for ages? Also, compared to which jujutsu style? There probably never was just one style of jujutsu that all others have split from and even if there was, how do you know it's still the same...
  9. TimoS

    Ko Sutemi Seiei Kan

    Azato was actually a senior student of Bushi Matsumura, so if you wish to use the misleading names of Shuri-, Tomari- and Nahate, Azato was also representing Shurite Edit: oops, just realized this was an ancient thread :o
  10. TimoS

    What Do You Think Are The Most Effective Karate Styles?

    Well, yes and no. Back in the days of let's say Itosu, Kyan and others, there already kind of were styles. They were just whatever each master happened to teach and how he did the kata he was taught and not organised into styles and schools. For example, Kyan and Chibana were (kind of)...
  11. TimoS

    Cross polination of Okinawan/Japanese styles - Split from:Bodan

    Thank you, Chris. I knew I could count on you to give good information. Funny coincidence, I've just been talking about this very subject on a Finnish martial arts board :) Yes, this is pretty much what I suspected also. Good to know that I'm not totally lost in my idea that there probably...
  12. TimoS

    Cross polination of Okinawan/Japanese styles - Split from:Bodan

    Getting way off-topic, but I'd like to know more also. While it is more or less common knowledge that some karate pioneers, such as Bushi Matsumura, most likely studied Jigen ryu, I'm having a hard time seeing the influence of Jigen ryu in karate. Our style contains two kata taught by Matsumura...
  13. TimoS

    Bodan

    Not quite. The first known mention with the current kanji was in a book by Hanashiro Chomo, Karate Shoshu Hen, published in 1905. He was, apparently, a student of Itosu, though.
  14. TimoS

    Bodan

    I think what he's referring to is that karate used to be called todi, or simply ti, but that's not wholly accurate. The earliest mention of karate using the kanji for empty hand was, after all, over 100 years ago and presumably since it was written that way in a book, it was already an...
  15. TimoS

    Why karate is broken...

    Karate is not Broken
  16. TimoS

    Indian girl uses Karate to defend herself. Is Karate an effective martial art for self defense?

    Do you really have to have this "conversation " about karate's effectiveness again? Here's how it goes: someone says something positive about karate as a self defense art. Another, usually Hanzou, comes to tell that karate is useless for self defense. People point out examples, Hanzou ignores...
  17. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    I stand by what I said earlier on that one: Kyan learned it from Yara. In Zenpo sensei's book there is speculation that he might have learned a version of Kusanku from Matsumora, but that is speculation and besides, Matsumura and Matsumora are two totally different persons
  18. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    You are really grasping at straws here. Considering that Nagamine was with Kyan only a little while, with Zenryo (and Tatsuo) Shimabukuro being there much longer, who do you think he would really confide in? How about the fact that Chosin Chibana, who really was the "heir" to Itosu's karate...
  19. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    Didn't find the book I was looking for yet, but here's something from another book Here's part of a book called Shorin ryu Seibukan - Kyan's karate, by Zenpo Shimabukuro (and Dan Smith) The book puts Matsumura's year of death as 1890 and Kyan returning in 1896.
  20. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    Here's a list of Kyan's kata and who he learned them from Seibukan lineage - Burnside Karate As you can see, Itosu is not mentioned there.
  21. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    I am familiar with him, having met him twice in Okinawa at the Seibukan Honbu dojo, but that aside, you are simply wrong. Kyan was not Itosu's student, as has been confirmed by Chosin Chibana, Itosu's main student and all but one of Kyan's students. Huh? He did, Seisan and Gojushiho No they...
  22. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    Kyan didn't study with Itosu. That has been disproven by most of Kyan's students AND Chosin Chibana. The only source for the claim is in Shoshin Nagamine's book. Also, if Kyan was Itosu's student, why didn't he teach any of Itosu's kata? The kata that are common in name in both Shorin branches...
  23. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    Not really, because that was the time Kyan Chotoku was in Japan with his father. When he came back (can't remember the year off-hand), Matsumura had already passed away.
  24. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    He couldn't have learned it from Bushi Matsumura, because by the time Kyan most likely learned the kata, Matsumura had been dead for a very long time. Kyan learned Matsumura's versions of Seisan and Gojushiho. It is likely that the actual teaching was done by Azato, because Matsumura himself was...
  25. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    There are a couple of problems in this: first, Kyan didn't learn this kata from Bushi Matsumura. He learned it from Yara pechin. Second, we don't really know for certain what Sakugawa taught, or even who he was (I mean, it could be that he never existed. Unlikely, sure, but I don't think there's...
  26. TimoS

    1 Question about Kusanku

    Interesting. In the video Zenpo Shimabukuro sensei is performing the kata that is also known as Chatan Yara Kusanku the way it's done in Shorin ryu Seibukan and while there are some differences to the way Kusanku kata is performed in Wado ryu, the moves are mostly the same as in the video. The...
  27. TimoS

    Okinawa Shorinjiryu Combat Karate Kobujutsu

    Was there something you wanted to say? Because to me that looks like an empty post
  28. TimoS

    What kicks besides a sidekick...

    Why do so many people, Okinawans included, have questionable lineages? Are we to accept their word for it?
  29. TimoS

    What kicks besides a sidekick...

    I just spoke with one of my sensei about this and he said that according to Chosei Motobu there is a maegeri in there, similar to e.g. Seisan (here at about 0:55 ). However, Chosei Motobu seems to be the only one saying that, even among those who learned it from his father, so I highly doubt...
  30. TimoS

    What kicks besides a sidekick...

    Where does he say that there is a front snap kick?
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