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  1. reeskm

    Why do people say to never kick air?

    The way people train has changed significantly over the last 150 years, in all styles. In the old days, full or medium contact training was the norm and expected. In addition, experiences in daily life situations, violent crimes, challenge matches, street fighting, bodyguard and security...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    I'm glad you brought this up Punisher73, because I think this line of reasoning is often repeated but full of holes. First of all, the statement from Hwang's The History of the Moo Duk Kwan that you specifically quote is yet again another ridiculous white lie. Of course, it no doubt has some...
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    Post your lineage to GM Hwang Kee

    Yeah, I know. :( But sooner or later, someone is bound to understand why all of us are so interested. I still hold out hope that there is possibility of getting somewhere! In the end, understanding this is not a matter of whether Japanese, Okinawan or Korean martial arts is better than the other...
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    Potential: AMA Style Q&A with Grandmaster Kyongwon Ahn

    Is this still going on? I have a few questions. As a Tang Soo Do only stylist, I have met very few Koreans that started in the MDK in the 1940's. I am very hungry for any information, as there is way too much speculation out there, and not enough first hand accounts or information. Q1) There is...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    TSDTexan, You made this in the former "Post your lineage to Hwang Kee" thread. Could you elaborate? I'm very interested in what you are saying here. I don't have a Toyama/Shudokan lineage dojo in my area. Information is quite scarce on the internet and youtube that seems to be of any help in...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    I had to re-read this. I think we misunderstood each other. I was referring to the belt not with alternating stripes (like Judo white/red belt or shorin-ryu belts) but the type where there is one main solid colour and a complete stripe runing through the center. The Goshin Goju Ryu Belt System...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    I want to add Doshin So (Michiomi Nakano) to my OP in the list of people in Manchukuo with MA experience. He lived there from 1928-1946. I forgot to add him but he's been on my "interesting" list for a long time. As a half-joke, Shorinji Kempo's cult like organizational methods just seem to be...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    Thank you Dancingalone. I knew some of this but not all of it. That is incredibly interesting and very helpful. I'll look into it further. In very earlier interviews and literature, Hwang Kee was described as an "Okinawa-te practitioner". I suppose you know that Richard Kim was a shorin-ryu...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    Agreed here. I've been to a Chang Moo Kwan lineage school in Edmonton and was very interested in how they did things. I think I posted on here before about my experience. The judo connection has only just started to become more interesting to me. - The MDK curriculum as published in the 1990's...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    (Post edited to clarify and enhance) Yes, I generally agree with all your comments regarding forms. That's why I have avoided bringing up the forms in order to understand Hwang. Because there is just not enough analysis and research done. Regarding Yamaguchi and Hwang - in terms of philosophy...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    Upon reading this another time, I have to say you are right there. But what about Shudokan (Toyama), Wado or Shitoryu influences? What about the fact that philosophically he was very similar in mind to Yamaguchi Gogen? Much to debate :)
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    Dancingalone, I thought you might appreciate this, since you are interested in looking at Hwang's origins based on the forms taught in the MooDukKwan. They come from someone on Facebook, who bought a copy of Hwang's textbook (sorry don't know whether or not it was the english or korean version...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    Nothing should be unquestionable, Dancingalone. I question it all. The forms as we practice them today are only a very small part of the old curriculum. Fact is, there isn't enough information in looking at the modern forms to tell the whole story. True enough, some of the story is there. For...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    dancingalone, I don't think it will ever be a dead end topic. It will continue to come up for a very long time. In fact, I think the more people talk about it the more information will come up. It may be possible nothing will come out of it, but in time I think there will be more information. I...
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    Thanks for your reply TSDTexan. Sorry for not writing back sooner. I got busy with life! LOL It is possible they were friends during that time. You hit the nail on the head - I agree there are similarities in philosophy between Hwang and Gogen. However, for whatever reason Hwang chose not to...
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    Post your lineage to GM Hwang Kee

    For years I've grappled with the subject of where MDK techniques came from. I am not yet willing to believe that Hwang Kee learned it from a specific person. TSDTexan, I agree with you that there is a very definite Shudokan similarity. I have long ago rejected the idea that there is only a...
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    Post your lineage to GM Hwang Kee

    I sincerely hope Drew will be able to confirm this for us - but I am quite suire it is one and the same. "Jong" and "Chong" should be for the same hangul. Jong is probably newer romanization. And Drew - is your grandfather Kyongwon Ahn? Wow, now that is something pretty special. Is he still...
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    Post your lineage to GM Hwang Kee

    Let's keep our posts related to our lineage from Hwang Kee? We're starting to speculate here. Forgive me for a slightly off topic post, but to clear up previous comments, as this thread is getting off topic, I wrote this new thread.
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    Hwang Kee's possible teachers or influences?

    TSD Texan started a thread about our individual lineages to Hwang Kee, which was getting a bit off topic into the usual interest in Toyama Kanken and Shudokan. So, I forked that thread and started a new one. I aim to discuss what I know with others regarding Manchuria and Hwang Kee's early...
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    Post your lineage to GM Hwang Kee

    As I cross-train with a local Renbukai school (in KU I might add!) here in town, I can tell you some more goodies on Yun Kwei-byung: - they still revere him. - they don't really understand tang soo do at all in the sense that they tend to lump me in the taekwondo stylists. Its very hard to tell...
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    Lawsuits in the KMAs ruining the Hwang Kee legacy, over MAHNEE! MAHNEE!

    Zack, thanks for being honest and up front about an issue that few will speak about. I share your feelings too, and am lucky myself to have some independence from this mess large orgs. create.
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    How to fold ROK Flag?

    Don't forget to also display the flag correctly. It is very difficult to get the Korean flag hung properly, as the trigrams all look similar and confusing. I recently had to flip mine around. Most people that train in community gyms or churches don't display any flags or dojang items at all...
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    Meaning of the term "Dosa"

    TSDTexan, I'm sure you meant "Do Sa is a teacher of the way" and by that logic, I totally agree. This is another way to look at it. I usually like to try and arrive at this from another angle - by finding something in published religious literature, because things often get messed up in...
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    Lawsuits in the KMAs ruining the Hwang Kee legacy, over MAHNEE! MAHNEE!

    For reference, here is the judgement. Sadly, it seems that not enough time in the historical research and defendant's evidence to back up their claims was the major reason they lost this case. Hopefully they will appeal, and bring forward better evidence. However, I have a feeling the courts...
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    Lawsuits in the KMAs ruining the Hwang Kee legacy, over MAHNEE! MAHNEE!

    Yes, this is a horrible shame. There are literally thousands of other martial artists out there that were taught Moo Duk Kwan style. In many of those cases, including mine, their own teacher was given a dan bon number and certificate signed and sealed by Hwang Kee himself. Many of these people...
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    Meaning of the term "Dosa"

    dosa is korean for a taoist monk. Tao is chinese and Do is the korean/japanese equivalent. A taoist monk is called a "dosa". hanja would be more useful in making sure, if you have it.
  27. reeskm

    Do karate schools in the US not teach dirty fighting any more or do you have to move to Japan?

    totally agree with dirty dog. you can kick to three levels just like you can with hand techniques. how does the old saying go? those that say it can't be done or who are not doing it shouldn't interrupt the one who is. i've trained in Japan, and at the end of my small time there the black belts...
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    Eight Key Concepts

    I believe they were written by him, but it is hard to find proof. As for whether other arts use them, the answer is yes. They do not use them as a list of 8 concepts in the same order as Hwang wrote them, but each one of these concepts are integral to the martial arts, period. So you will...
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    Eight Key Concepts

    I think we'll have to take this to another post! But to answer briefly - I've met Lee Kang Uk in person and trained with him at a day long seminar. I have his book, too. His techniques are the original and old school MDK and almost identical to Shotokan that I have ever seen when you look at the...
  30. reeskm

    Subforum description / questioning the supposed 2000 year old lineage

    Tez3 - seems more of an attempt to be politically correct than anything. I am not a religious person but am 1/2 brit myself and baptized Anglican. I learned AD/BC in school and old habits die hard. Personally, I think you could use either one and it would be obvious what you mean. By all means...
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