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    The 3 main empty hand forms

    Its a good question. In my lineage Biao Zhi concepts are taught early on as a way to "right the ship". The reasoning is that beginners will eventually fail and will need a pathway to get back on track. In my branch we view the 3 forms as Short Range (Xiao Lian Tou), Middle Range (Chen Qiao) and...
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    Saving Wing Chun by Eliminating Chi Sau

    What if I were to suggest that Chi Sau wasn't originally part of the Wing Chun system? Can your method of Wing Chun be effective without it, or has it been completely reformatted around Chi Sau to the point that it is integral and cannot be separated?
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    Saving Wing Chun by Eliminating Chi Sau

    I tried to liven things up a little bit for ya Steve, but unfortunately my troll post didn't illicit too much vitriol, lol. I don't want to stir too much sh!t cause then I'd have to lick the spoon! But hopefully this post will generate some thought and different perspective into what TMA's can...
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    WC origin info

    Li Wen Mao (Lee Man Mau) is rumored to have been a Yongchun Bai Quan (Wing Chun Baak Hok Kyun) practitioner. Yan Yong Chun (Yim Wing Chun) and Liang Bou Liu (Leung Bok Lau) are most likely pseudonyms for Fang Qiniang (founder of Yongchun Bai He Quan) and her student (possibly husband) Zeng Si...
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    Saving Wing Chun by Eliminating Chi Sau

    Geezer this post is in your honor, happy belated birthday by the way! The question has been asked "What does Wing Chun need in the 21st century?" My answer, eliminate Chi Sau or at least minimize its "importance" as a litmus into the efficacy of martial prowess. My questions to Chunners...
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    Are you really training for self defense?

    Dude, dont belive anything I say when Ive been drinking, I like to make sh!t up. :)
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Gentlemen, With regret I am going to have to bow out of this conversation for a while as I have some pressing business matters which I need to attend to. I want to thank you for a very fruitful discussion and to apologize for my earlier ranting. Please continue on without me as I won't be...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Don't look at just what comes out of Foshan. I'm looking at Yongchun and all its incarnations as a whole. There are basivally two camps, one that passes on a 3 form theory and another that passes on a 1 form theory. Most lines descending from, say, Huang Hua Bao have the 3 sets but not all. Most...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Something that I do find curious is that the one thing most Yongchun branches have in common is Xiao Lian Tou, beyond that one form it can vary greatly as to what other forms if any are also included. Chen Qiao and Biao Zhi aren't a given to be included. For me that brings up some questions...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Agreed! From my understanding the original White Crane system was indeed a system of Sanshi. This is relayed in several branches of Shizi Hou Men Jingang Quan and it's branches of Bei Xizang Lama Bai He Pai, Xiajia Quan & Mizong Lama Pai as well as in multiple branches of Fujian Bai He. Now no...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    With those references I want you to keep in mind the context. I mentioned those forms as a point of reference in regards to establishing a common theme and not as proof of Yongchun material being used to create them. Some of those forms have commonalities with one another such as Bai He to Hong...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Personally I was only interested in the material that concerned Ng Chung So and the details surrounding that matter. I mentioned the other stuff as reference to show that this material did in fact exist and that other arts, with connections to some Wing Chun branches, also had similar material...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Jesper, You're last statement in this question pretty much sums it all up. I by no means was trying to insinuate that there is a mysterious mitochondrial "4th Form" that is the root of all Wing Chun. I was just simply trying to illustrate that there was left over material that was used as San...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Jesper, I don't know about you, but I feel that the issue surrounding Ng Chung So passing on some extra empty hand material outside the 3 forms has been put to bed. Its fairly evident that he did and that, depending on the descendant, it was compiled into codified Sik or Lou. I also feel that...
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    Who Did Yip Man Learn Stuff From?

    Yes that is correct. I only stressed it in the context of the content found in the "4th Form". You said, "Hence Wong Nim Yi Sifu called his twelwe done as a form "Sup Yee Lou" not "Sup Yee Sik" as the SN guys do. " Wouldn't that be a form then, or am I missing something? San Sik done as a form...
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