Wushu/KungFu Forms containing the Tornado Kick

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  1. zany90

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    Hi,

    A while back I saw a video of one of the many Wushu or Kung Fu forms that contain the tornado kick. The video I am referring to was a form that actually finished with the tornado kick. I am wondering if someone can please let me know the names of the forms that either contain or finish with the tornado kick as I would love to see this video again but cannot for the life of me remember the name or find the video since.

    Many Thanks
     
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    I know 4 forms that contain tornado kick (but not finish with tornado kick).

    1. Shao Hu Yen.
    2. Mai Fu road 1.
    3. Si Lu Bend Da.
    4. long fist summary.
     
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    There are many many forms in Chinese martial arts, and I am sure that many of them contain a tornado kick. It would be impossible for anyone to give you a comprehensive list, as it would imply that someone is familiar with every form, from all of the hundreds of systems that exist.
     
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    Any idea what the style was? Or where it was (a specific tournament)?
     
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    Exactly....It could also be a custom made modern Wushu form.... so even if by some miracle there was a mystical CMA wizard that knew all forms they would not know that one
     
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    OK, so after hours and hours and hours and hours of digging ive found what I was looking for. Its called Tong Bi Quan. Its absolutely lovely.
     
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    Im noticing some places it being called Tong Bi Quan, and others Tong Bei Quan, is there a difference? I've only just mastered the fundamental stances stretching and the 18 fundamental methods so I know I am a long way off a form like that but it is beautiful to watch. I can throw tornado kick and consider my kicks to be quite good as do others that know me, but I would like to educate myself more on whats what with Kung Fu. I am presuming that Tong Bi Quan or Tong Bei Quan, as well as Wu Bu Quan, are forms of Shaolin KungFu?
     
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    Also, how many "forms" in general would fall under the umbrella of whats called "Shaolin Kung Fu"? How many forms are there to learn?
     
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    Tongbiquan is a style all by itself, a northern style actually Tongbi quan
     
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    Shaolin Kung Fu is not all styles of Kung Fu it is 'a' style of kung fu (wushu) and it has its own forms, Tongbei not being one of them

    You will find a partial list of the styles of Chinese Martial Arts here
     
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    OK thank you for the replies. This is where I am starting to get very confused as I am seeing Shaolin monks performing this routine. I would like to better understand the technicalities of whats what here. I was under the impression that anything practised in the Shaolin temple by the monks would be considered Shaolin Kung Fu but I am quite clearly very ignorant at this point as I still have a lot to learn. If Tongbei is not a Shaolin Form why are the videos on youtube generally mostly of monks in the temple performing it? Sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to learn.
     
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    This is the routine I am referring to:

     
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    this is where im getting confused, im seeing Tong Bi Quan in relation to the word Shaolin everywhere...
     
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    And again, performed by a shaolin monk called "Tong Bei Quan"...



    Due to some disturbance in my life for spiritual and healing reasons my main area of interest lies in the traditional forms of Kung Fu taught by the Buddhist Monks of Shaolin, it is the forms taught there that I am interested in knowing but due to so much information it seems to be hard to find a list of the forms used by the monks of Shaolin.
     
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    This will likely confuse you more, and I'm by far not the most qualified person to answer your questions, but what the shaolin monks practice nowadays does not necessarily equal shaolindo/shaolin kung fu
     
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    Okay, good to know. So does anybody know where I can find an up to date list of the routines that are taught in the current day at the temple? I understand that it may be very difficult to find such information.
     
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    1) It was imported into Shaolin if it was there prior to burning of Shaolin (Qing Dynasty)
    2) Modern Shaolin and original Shaolin are not exactly the same thing, a lot of forms got dragged into Shaolin
    3) Shaolin is associated with a lot for purely sales reasons
     
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    If your purpose is health/culture, I would not go by what is taught at the temple. From what I understand it is largely (what Americans would call) wushu, and meant for the purpose of performance, rather than health/tradition/spirituality.

    There are some temples where you can pay I believe $3k equivalent and live/train there for 6 months, if you have the time and/or devotion, but I have no idea how legitimate those are.

    Edit:if you're interested in doing that, I can find information on them, but someone else would have to confirm their legitimacy. If not, I would look for more traditional kung fu then what's taught at the temple now for health.
     
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    Okay, a Shaolinquan heads-up: Tongbiquan/通臂拳 and Tongbeiquan/通背拳 are the same form in Shaolinuan. It means either "through the arms" or "through the back" fist. Essentially it's a form mimicking the vivacity and power of the arms of monkey (usually monkey is renown for footwork). The name comes from a Chinese belief that the two arms of a monkey are connected in the back.

    Having different names is not unheard of in Shaolinquan, I've seen at least one form named in two ways: Chaoyangquan vs Zhaoyangquan (both are written 朝阳拳, but the pronunciation is different).

    I don't know about the different routines taught at the main temple these days and honestly don't care either, it's all crap. The traditional curriculum as taught still by some individuals OUTSIDE is as follows:

    (Wubuquan)
    Lianhuanquan
    Xiaohongquan
    Xiao tongbiquan
    Dahongquan
    Zhao/Chaoyangquan

    Then you can choose your routines from a lot of different stuffs, but a thing called Xinyiba is the final piece and culmination.
     
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    What about Jake Mace?
     
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