Would biting work here?

[Kung Fu Wang]

You don't wait for your opponent to get an arm bar, or leg bar on you to start your biting. The moment that you are on the ground, you start to bite on whatever that your mouth can reach.

How hard can it be if you use one hand to hold on your opponent's arm and bite on his finger?

 

[Saheim]

Back to being serious -

I just heard something from Lee Morrison of Urban Combat that made the most sense, in regards to biting.

I'm going to do a bad job of relaying what he says, y'all should really search out the video and hear it from him but.....

He (basically) says that elevating the level of violence is bad IF there is a "break". Example - you bite the bujeebuz out of a guy, he pulls free, has that pause to realize you just bit him, then spills an ocean of hate on you. Compared to biting in a position that doesn't allow him to disengage. The bite is just beginning of a whole bunch of ugliness that follows IMMEDIATELY. Basically, he realizes "I just got bit" at the same time he realizes "omg, I being destroyed".

 

[_Simon_]

No, you really are biased and a hypocrite. How can you not miss the ton of insults towards me considering there were tons of posts that you can't really miss even if you tried.

I said that I saw that, and it is absolutely 100% beside the point. Totally irrelevant. Read my above posts.

Once again, you're judging my judgments. This makes you a hypocrite but you can't see it. You're this exact person that you're complaining about. It's obvious that what you consider disrespectful, I don't....but oh look, you think that you're some final authority on what's respectful = more judging = more hypocritical.

You keep hiding behind that circular nonsense to avoid the issue. Have seen that too many times to not address it. I'm not saying at all that nor have I implied that I'm some absolute authority, but I do have sense and wits about me. You've put this 'authority' thing on me, and frankly you could do that with every single person in order to avoid listening to others.

And when I called that, YOU didn't like it. So there's really nowhere to go from here. Fair enough you don't see it as disrespectful, that's your perspective. But alot of people here have. That's not worth listening to?

I already see and know what your perspective entails and you just don't like it.

Very good. Wish you all the best with everything, many blessings.

 

[Hanzou]

You don't wait for your opponent to get an arm bar, or leg bar on you to start your biting. The moment that you are on the ground, you start to bite on whatever that your mouth can reach.

How hard can it be if you use one hand to hold on your opponent's arm and bite on his finger?

Like I said before, the issue is recognizing the set ups that get you into joint locks and chokes. If you have no idea how those set ups begin, you're not going to see those submissions coming. What's worse is that your actions may make it EASIER to fall into a submission set up.

Additionally I think we often get confused in these types of discussions because we're looking at a situation from a defender's point of view. In the video, the guy doing the breaking begins in the guard, which indicates that more than likely the person on top of him is the aggressor and started the whole thing. The entire purpose of the guard is to protect you while you're in possibly the worst position possible.

If we're flipping this scenario around and YOU'RE the defender who is on the bottom of someone else, the chances of you ending up in a joint lock is HIGHLY unlikely. More than likely you're going to be on the bottom eating elbows and punches. Good luck isolating and then biting fists and elbows connecting with your face and head. I know if I'm on top of you, I'm not cradling you and setting up some fancy Bjj submission, I'm moving quickly to the mounted position, and then socking you in the face until you roll over onto your stomach. Once there, I'm going to keep punching you in the head until I know you're not a threat anymore.

Good luck biting your way out of that one.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

We are discussing whether or not biting can work in ground game or not. During mounting, you will have chance for vampire bite.

 

[dunc]

Setting aside that you may just get lucky and shock someone to let you escape

There are plenty of viable uses of dirty tactics, but...
A) They can only be used to augment structural technique
B) Just like any technique they need to be studied and trained - they are not a short cut

 

[Hanzou]

We are discussing whether or not biting can work in ground game or not. During mounting, you will have chance for vampire bite.

The guy on the bottom? If someone on the bottom of my side mount tried to bite me in the neck, I'd take my elbow and start grinding their face into the pavement.

Oh, and I'm definitely turning your face into hamburger when I enter mount (Okay, just knocking you out. I'm not that violent of a person.. ).

 

[FriedRice]

I said that I saw that, and it is absolutely 100% beside the point. Totally irrelevant. Read my above posts.

I did, you're biased.

You keep hiding behind that circular nonsense to avoid the issue. Have seen that too many times to not address it. I'm not saying at all that nor have I implied that I'm some absolute authority, but I do have sense and wits about me. You've put this 'authority' thing on me, and frankly you could do that with every single person in order to avoid listening to others.

Saying not to judge and then you judge me = you're a hypocrite.

And when I called that, YOU didn't like it. So there's really nowhere to go from here. Fair enough you don't see it as disrespectful, that's your perspective. But alot of people here have. That's not worth listening to?

Because everyone have their perspective, but you can't accept mine due to your being a hypocrite and closed-minded. Just because you find more people here with a perspective that aligns with yours, doesn't make yours correct. Go to other MA forums such as sherdog.com and you'll find literally 100 to 500 times more members...where there are hundreds of new posts per day that reaches 5000-1000 views in less than 24 hours.....and at least 80% of the people there would agree with me over you.

Very good. Wish you all the best with everything, many blessings.

I guess this is your farewell line #3 now? LOL

 

[FriedRice]

If we're flipping this scenario around and YOU'RE the defender who is on the bottom of someone else, the chances of you ending up in a joint lock is HIGHLY unlikely. More than likely you're going to be on the bottom eating elbows and punches. Good luck isolating and then biting fists and elbows connecting with your face and head. I know if I'm on top of you, I'm not cradling you and setting up some fancy Bjj submission, I'm moving quickly to the mounted position, and then socking you in the face until you roll over onto your stomach. Once there, I'm going to keep punching you in the head until I know you're not a threat anymore.

Good luck biting your way out of that one.

Remember the early UFC's where you can bite, eye gouge, nuts strike, nut squeeze.....basically anything you want and not get disqualified?

Patrick Smith (TKD) vs. Scott Morris (Krav Maga).....and Patrick Smith was horrible at grappling; not sure if he even knew any grappling at that point in time:

The early UFC's dispelled much to all of these deadly TMA notions and dirty, anti-rape tactics. And that was when MMA was in its infancy. The levels of techniques and science has evolved, leaps and bounds beyond what it was 25 years ago.

 

[FriedRice]

We are discussing whether or not biting can work in ground game or not. During mounting, you will have chance for vampire bite.

You posted a picture of two, BJJ specialists grappling each other....in what, a high level, BJJ tournament?

There's a big difference between this picture above.....and that of a BJJ specialist grappling the average TMA'ist who doesn't train grappling....and will get destroyed in such a mounted position. If someone vampire bites a BJJ'ist while they're in the full mount; they could drive their thumbs into the TMA's eye sockets and as they posture up....while driving their thumbs downward, deep into the eye sockets (grasping the temple with the other 8 fingers for leverage). Think they'll let go of their vampire bite?

After that, just keep hold of the head and smashing the back of it into the cement, over and over again for payback for biting....if this was Mad Max 3's Thunderdome or something....otherwise the loser dies and the winner goes to prison for life.

 

[FriedRice]

Setting aside that you may just get lucky and shock someone to let you escape

There are plenty of viable uses of dirty tactics, but...
A) They can only be used to augment structural technique
B) Just like any technique they need to be studied and trained - they are not a short cut

Another viable technique to get out would be to:

C) Tap

I would literally tap and say, "OK you got me...I'm sorry, good fight...."....try this first to end the fight respectfully before upping the level of violence with biting, etc.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

The guy on the bottom? If someone on the bottom of my side mount tried to bite me in the neck, I'd take my elbow and start grinding their face into the pavement.

Oh, and I'm definitely turning your face into hamburger when I enter mount (Okay, just knocking you out. I'm not that violent of a person.. ).

I'm talking about the guy on the top. The guy on the top should have chance to bite the guy on the bottom.

 

[dunc]

Another viable technique to get out would be to:

C) Tap

I would literally tap and say, "OK you got me...I'm sorry, good fight...."....try this first to end the fight respectfully before upping the level of violence with biting, etc.

There will be situations when submitting is a great option I think
Probably at that point it's too late for anything else

 

[Hanzou]

I'm talking about the guy on the top. The guy on the top should have chance to bite the guy on the bottom.

Well yeah because he has the dominant position. The question is (outside of being a sociopath) why would you need to bite someone if you're in a position of dominance?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

why would you need to bite someone if you're in a position of dominance?

Do you agree that

BJJ + biting > BJJ?

 

[FriedRice]

I'm talking about the guy on the top. The guy on the top should have chance to bite the guy on the bottom.

That would be a terrible idea. The BJJ will get dominant, full mount and now can rain punches & elbows or even thumbs to the eyeballs to scoop them both out.....why would he break posture and go down and vampire bite for? This opens up for more defense from the bottom and sweeps. Worse, he can get bitten, back.....also his ears are now exposed to bites.....and the bottom guy can now eye gouge him.

 

[FriedRice]

Do you agree that

BJJ + biting > BJJ?

Do you agree that

BJJ + a gun > BJJ + biting?

 

[Hanzou]

Do you agree that

BJJ + biting > BJJ?

No, I don't agree with that at all.