Women in the arts

Discussion in 'Women of the Martial Arts (Women Martial Artists)' started by WingChunChick, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. Martial D

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    The evidence is in your diatribes.

    For future reference, if you want to attribute words or opinions to someone on a web forum, use the quote function, and address what was actually written.
     
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    You're acting like you're a spectator, when you're like the primary participant. And now you're playing dumb. Dude. Come on.
     
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    How does me participating in this conversation have any bearing on it's topic? Yes, I have made more posts responding to Daveb's nonsense projections than I should have, but my point remains.

    What are these issues that are brought about by training with primarily men that aren't present when say, training with primarily women?

    Saying it's a comfort thing doesn't mean much, unless you are also claiming men make women uncomfortable in general. I don't believe that is the case at all. Do you?

    Do you think that all the evil men(including Tez it seems) piled on the poor defenseless damsel with those first responses that were framed as some sort of opressive act(mansplaining maybe?) and quickly dismissed by the OP? I find that disrespectful and distasteful in general, but that's not even the point.

    The point is that there is no point. At least nobody has presented one just yet. Without specifics you guys are just playing identity politics.
     
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    Sorry bro, although misunderstanding people or worse yet, flagrantly lying about what people say seems to be fairly common around here lately, that's not my game.
     
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    Honestly, man, you've been acting like kind of a diva about this entire thing, really. I saw a guy outside a strip mall park in a "expecting mother" spot. He made a huge scene about how it wasn't enforceable and why do pregnant women get special treatment and blah, blah, blah. While he was technically correct that it isn't an enforceable parking space, it is also true that he was a guy with a huge chip on his shoulder acting like a real a-hole.

    You are acting like that here. Sure, you can post here. But you've made this thread about you and your right to post here, rather than about the question posed in the OP. You've done that. Not anyone else.
    Well, I shared some of what I've heard. But I could also add this sort of assholery to the list. :)
    I haven't seen comfort brought up at all in this thread. Have you?
    Using language like "evil" and "defenseless" is a subtle form of straw man, using hyperbolic phrasing to make a questionable point. Once again, I haven't seen anyone other than you suggest that men are evil and women are defenseless. When I referred to an axe you are grinding, this is an example.
    I saw a point raised in the OP. Others did too. You didn't, sooooo...

    Lastly, I wish we had more time to get into identity politics. Specifically, what you mean when you use the term, why you use the term pejoratively, and why you think you're NOT using wielding your gender as a weapon even as you accuse others of doing the same. But that's probably not allowed here.
     
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    you don't seem like you're above sneaky rhetorical tricks, though... like playing dumb.
     
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    Interesting, what does liberal mean to the rest of the world? I agree to a degree. Many liberals in the US are radicals in many of their views. The wholesome meaning of being willing to consider and learn different and new things is a noble idea. Sadly, that is just not what many uneducated people want it to mean because they are not getting their way.
     

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    < 4% unemployment. I will take simple all day long.
     
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    Ive asked you to do that several times and you have not, but now i should?

    Ok, just tell me what I said that was incorrect.
     
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    Sorry, I have no clue where the attachment came from.
     
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    Feminist Victim!
     
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    liberal | Definition of liberal in English by Oxford Dictionaries

    Liberals aren't radicals, they are centre party types, in the US it's taken to mean being on the 'left'. Outside the US the left are socialists, in the UK that's the Labour Party. The right here are the Conservatives and in the middle the Liberal Democrats but we have a long history of liberalism here and all sides will often refer to themselves as having liberal views. it's considered a good thing to be, however I've noticed Americans using it as a derogatory term now.
     
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    Just a thought people, have we considered the idea that the OP is trolling us? that the first post was deliberately set to sound combative to set people, okay, men's backs up? Other comments likewise and the fact that the posts by women were ignored too. Just a thought.
     
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    I hadn't considered that, but it's always a possibility.

    If it is a trollpost I might contribute - but if it's a serious post there's nothing in it that triggers more than "meh" from me - it's hardly radical rampaging feminism ;)
     
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    It's possible, but it bait only works if itsvright for the fish.

    I don't think it would be fair to label her such when it's as likely to be the response to a badly worded post just killed her hope that she'd be wrong.
     
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    I've not seen any suggestion that this sub forum is supposed to be women only - I'd interpret it more as focusing discussions on "women of the martial arts", whether that's issues, challenges or general discussion.

    As mentioned, there is a specific place to discuss any specific issues that you're not interested in a male perspective on, but this isn't it.

    To be completely fair, while there are things that a man wouldn't entirely understand from a female perspective (that goes both ways too btw, a woman who says she understands everything about "male issues" is lying or deluded) there are valid viewpoints and advice/experience to be found.

    Otherwise, meh.
     
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    That's exactly what it is, as I said there is another one on MT just for women which men don't see, caused a bit of ruckus when it was set up but that died down.


    As I said it was just a thought not specifically a label, it just seems the OP has posted a couple of things which caused contention and then hasn't bothered since.
    perhaps she'd like to comeback and tell us exactly what bothered her about training with men, I don't honestly think we can discuss 'men umping all over social media posts' though we could discuss whether it happens on here. The two subjects though should be two different posts I think.
     
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    Yeah, typical women, trying to hide stuff.

    Just like when they go to the ladies loo at the pub.

    Only doing it to talk about me.

    Etc.




    I'd like to lead a resounding "meh" in response to finding out a female only 'room' exists. Whatevs innit ;)
     
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