I think that we're starting to argue about semantics. The way i see it, you can arrange all the martial arts in the world based on how much power/strength/etc you use where stuff like muay thai is on one end of the spectrum and things like tai chi and other internal martial arts are on the other end of the spectrum. Wing chun is more towards the tai chi side. Sure, we use more strength than tai chi but it's still much closer to that than to kick boxing for instance. And to make it clear, i'm talking about the historical usage of the style, i'm sure you'll find wing chun styles that are more strength based, especially in the west but the version taught in asia isn't like that (with exceptions of course). Also, yes, the closer you are to the internal styles like bagua the longer the road to being able to use the style in actual combat but that doesn't mean that the style isn't good (unless you're looking for a fight), just that it's more about a way of life than a way of fighting. And this i think is the reason why you don't see so many fighters using wing chun in mma fight. I don't train to fight but i can defend myself (we do live sparring exercises) and i'm sure that i'm not as good a fighter as those that train for that specifically but i'm also sure that what i learn now i'll still be able to use when i'll be in my 60's. There are old warriors and there are bold warriors but there are no old bold warriors; i want to be able to become an old warrior someday.