Wing Chun Boxing

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  1. wckf92

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    I don't think so. Same lineage (WSL) perhaps...but different schools of thought on it's interpretation.
     
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  2. KPM

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    Well, maybe so. But I'm also not convinced that LFJ practices the same thing as Sean and his guys. ;) LFJ seems to be off in a world all on his own! At least now that Guy B. is gone! :p
     
  3. LFJ

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    The MMA guys, maybe. The VT guys' stances are perpendicular to the MMA guys' lead-rear stances. It is not possible to be forward-weighted.

    You can't even see their lower bodies in that video, but VT is not forward-weighted.
     
  4. LFJ

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    No. I agree 100% with his VT way of thinking. It's the same system.
     
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    Understood; however you did not refute the conversation about his student doing a "pak da" during one of his sparring bouts...and from all I've read from you, you feel that pak'ing the incoming limb then following with the punch is hand chasing. Is that correct?
    If I've understood your logic you use pak to clear the way...but not as a primary action.
    I don't mean to derail this thread but ...
     
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    Depending on position, distance, and timing, paak-da may well be a valid and necessary response.

    It becomes a primary action where one arm can't be used alone. If done in place of a single-arm action, for lack thereof, it's likely arm-chasing.

    I've said paak-sau opens the way for the punch, which means it should be coupled with an attack.

    If one is just paaking incoming punches, it is also likely arm-chasing.
     
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    Ok, cool. Thx for clarifying. That helped understand your thinking better.
     
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    Not even rigidity in LFJs thinking. It is just he had to be the one who thought of it. Overhand rights are ok. Becuse they are VT. they are not ok. Because they are boxing.
     
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    Uh, no. Your "pure WSLVT" guy from about 2:00 to 2:30 has his shoulders hunched up and is leaning forward with his hands up close to his face with a clearly forward-weighted stance. Not possible to be forward-weighted? What world do you live in? How is your boy going to be hunched forward without forward-weighting his stance to some degree?
     
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    Wrong.

    Can't load the lead leg if there is no lead leg to load.
     
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    So you really believe that in those two videos I posted of "pure WSLVT" that no one ever had one leg in front of the other as a lead leg? :rolleyes:
     
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    Not where you were pointing.

    No one had a forward-weighted lead-rear stance, anyway.

    VT doesn't have lunging punches like WB.
     
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    No one said anything about lunging punches. You said the guy couldn't have a forward-weighted stance because there was no lead leg. He most certainly had a lead leg!
     
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    No, he didn't.
     
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    Yes he did.
    No he didn't.
    Yes he did!
    No he didn't
    Yes!!
    No.

    Excellent example of adult discussion.

    Lots of movement and attacking from squared position, from a left lead, from a right lead.
    Threw a few kicks from almost square stance and from both leads with the rear leg...very tough to do without being weighted on the opposite leg.
    Also there were several, In My viewing an opinion, punches being done from a front weighted leg.
    But then maybe I have a different understanding of a front weighted leg that others.
     
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    Excellent example of someone trying to deny reality! ;)
     
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    If you don't allow your opponent to put weight on his leading leg, he can't punch you.
     
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    What?!? You never saw a punch delivered with the rear leg bearing the weight? That's the core of the VT system I train. And I can get nearly as much power out of my back weighted VT punches as I can get from my forward weighted drop-stepping Escrima punches. It's all in the kinetic linkages.
     
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    You have not tried to show exactly who and when you think they did this.

    But, even if it happened, it's not because it's the VT method. Humans tend to make errors, of course.
     
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    I beg to differ sir. It will depend on range. We do so in Wing Chun quite a bit and in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali as well.
    Range will dictate different actions.
     
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