Wing Chun Boxing

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  1. KPM

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    Jowgawolf: Maybe this will be a little clearer? About mid-way through this clip I do the "blast" as well. The heel is up because it is essentially a forward rush.


     
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    Ahem. It's grammar, not Grammer. ;)

    Haha... hehe... funny? A little funny? Okay. Nevermind. :D
     
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    Probably attract to the the smell of the few fat old rats hiding in here. Vermins hate the light so open the door is the right thing
     
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    Actually. That smell was me. Sorry. I had a Starbucks Egg and Cheese protein box for breakfast.
     
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    You know, that wasn't bad. Every now and then something that looks like wit pokes out of you.

    So either - You act retarded on purpose as some sort of trolling smoke screen or..

    You have some sort of severe dyslexia that causes you to both to not understand anything you read and not be understood when you write.

    I'd call it 50/50 odds at this point.
     
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    Frankly and unfortunately I dont see either boxingor wing chun in that clip.And the partner just stands there
     
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    I watched the video without sound and what I saw in it was what I've been saying. Toes weighted versus heels up. when a punch was fired the heel went up and returned to a toe weighted position. I didn't watch the hands. I only watched the footwork. I'll watch it again with sound when I get a chance.
     
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    Do you ever have anything positive to say? My partner was meant to just stand there. It was a demo of basic technique, not a sparring session. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well yeah. Like I said, the "blast" is a forward rush to overwhelm the opponent. The power comes from the forward momentum.
     
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    Next time put a rating on you video. D=demo. C = concept discussion.
     
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    I would consider both feet with toes forwards.
     
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    Hey man I tod you I got dyslexia. Dpnt stop the brain working tho!
     
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    I finally got some more lessons up! Check it out! Jack Dempsey's "Falling Step", Robert Fitzsimmons' "shift" and the "Rabbit Punch."

    Iron Fist Wing Chun Boxing
     
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    Hey KPM what up?

    For a positive thing to say it is awesome that you and your training partner are out there utilizing a seemingly underused area of your community to get some exercise, get some film in, and raise awareness of wing chun and boxing.

    Having studied both arts, boxing has elbow down punches, but that doesn't make them wing chun punches. And similar vice versa trying to combine them. The main problem here is the underlying engine. Boxing has a rotational engine to produce power, as opposed to wing chun's body engine which is different in nature.

    Thanks.
     
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    Absolutely agree! And that is a point I have tried to explain to people in the past that often goes right over their collective heads! ;) So "Wing Chun Boxing" uses that Boxing engine or biomechanic as the base, and adds various Wing Chun methods to it. Very similarly, Panantukan uses that Boxing engine as a base and has added FMA methods to it...such a limb destructions, joint-locks, etc. Boxing is a time-tested and proven fighting system. So it just makes sense to use it as a base and see how we can adapt and "stretch it" a bit. :)
     
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    And yet is indistinguishable from western punching in application.

    Seriously when chun is throwing overhand rights. They are comparable in concept to boxing.

    Sorry but let's just suggest right here that this as a flat statement is a load of balls.

    And suggest that wing Chun concepts don't actually start or end anywhere except in the imagination of the practitioner.

    That you are not training inside or outside the box.

    THERE IS NO BOX!

    So you take any concept you want and mesh it with any other concept you want. And create a stronger system.
     
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    Just make sure you don't reach to to find a target and instead footwork into position. This will reduce your rotational movement. And make your attacking and defensive structure tighter.

    Also adopt the amateur boxing concept of elbows forward and front on stance so you can use both hands to make trapping easier.

    Look at kostya tzu.

    I mean you will still get mashed by an equal fighter who is engaging you with his head off center because he doesn't have to waste resources attacking and defending with his hands. He can just attack with both hands and defend with movement.

    But it will look more like chun than Alan Oor
     
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    Wait a damn second you shifty people. I just caught on.

    Slipping is rotational. Ducking and weaving is rotational. You can't do either of those defences without adopting rotational movement.

    You do rotational movement.
     
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    this was a while back but the smaller blond guy is called the Danimal. He came from a very traditional ammy boxing style. And you can see how he is much more chunnish than say a pro boxer you may be used to.

    Greg Saunders
     
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    Got what you are trying to do. I don't try to do that because rotational motions tend to abandon centerline and are slower.
     

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