K, so when we're talking about wrestling on this place, what kind or style are y'all really referring to? I've always been fond of submission wrestling/grappling; winner is the one who gets a tap or word submission from the victim. I wrestled, and still wrestle when I get the chance, this way. Isn't there also pin wrestling, where the winner is decided by pinning down the shoulders of the other? Back in high school when I'd go to our wrestling matches, it seemed to be a combination of the 2 styles I mentioned earlier. Whenever YOU say "wrestle," I think of submission grappling, which is to me the "intended" or "proper" way. I really don't like pin wrestling....it seems like a guy who's 50 pounds heavier than me can cream me just because he's fatter, not more skilled... I prefer earning submissions by strategizing and putting myself in a good mount where I can choke the sh*t out of him (sometimes her).. again, that's just me liking the badassery feel of it. I'm mainly starting this topic because at my MMA/ grappling class tonight, some dork with an over-inflated ego told me that wrestling isn't effective, so I just thought I'd vent a little haha @JR 137 what wrestling experience do you have?