Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Talk' started by drop bear, Feb 17, 2018.
So would you teach it as part of say a six week SD course?
Probably not if that's all the training they were ever going to get, If I expected my students to go on for additional training, then sure. Especially since the basic hip throw lays the foundation for a lot of more advanced throws.
I won't. I'll teach "single leg" only and nothing else. As long as your opponent moves in toward you, his leading leg will be in your reach. First you learn how to use your hand to pull your opponent's leading leg (let your hand to do your leg job). Later on you learn how to use leg to pull your opponent's leading leg (let your leg to do your leg job). You will then move from "single leg" to "front cut".
What's with hip throws? Hip throws are easy to do; consequently, they are among the first throws that students are taught how to do. I've always thought it interesting that an effective counter to any hip throw is simply another hip throw, or some variation thereof.
A punch on the face only require 1 contact point. A hip throw will require 3 contact points. In order to do a hip throw, you have to meet the following 5 requirements:
1. 1st contact point - left hand control your opponent's right arm.
2. 2nd contact point - right arm wrap his waist, or under/over hook his left shoulder.
3. 3rd contact point - hip touch below his belly.
4. right foot position in front of his right foot.
5. left foot position in front of his left foot.
You then either
- raise up his body from your low horse stance into high horse stance, or
- use your hip to bounce his belly back and upward.
There are just too many detail in hip throw that most beginners will have problem with.
I actually find folks learn the hip throw pretty easily. And they learn fairly quickly what makes it a bad choice, so they learn to avoid it when someone makes it unavailable or too risky. As Tony pointed out, it gets used very little against folks who know how to counter it, for that very reason.
I think setting up a firemans carry (kata garuma) would be difficul on someone close enough to be doing a rear naked choke on you. There is(was under the old judo rules) a variation of ippon seio nage were if you are doing a right side seio, your right arm is under the shoulder and gripping, your left hand is down and grabbing the pant leg to prevent uke from shifting hips and stepping round. Simply switch pant grab to squirrel grip.
You grab the knot of the belt?
I think I did that back in my judo days.
I thought that was mental to represent a squirrel.
That's how I always viewed it.
Here is an example that "leg break" or "front cut" may be more popular to be used on the mat or in the ring.
What? None of which is the point! Try to stay on topic, OK. Punching is punching; throwing is throwing. Military grappling doesn't teach Kung Fu punching techniques. Kodokan Judo doesn't allow punching, either. A punch in the face is, under many circumstances, NOT going to put a man down; but a hip throw, quite possibly, might. Punches, also, tend not to work well if an opponent is using any sort of handheld weapon (e.g.: a knife). There are 'inside', and 'outside' grappling/striking techniques; you might want to brush up on the subject.
Personally, with the emphasis my own training has placed on the use of handheld weapons, I don't like to extend my arms any more than I have to; and I seldom kick higher than an opponent's waist; and always as a secondary, rather than as a primary, method of attack. Thank you for the little lesson in how to execute a basic hip throw — Something I was, more than likely, using in serious combat before you were born.
By the way, if I'm intruding in your 'little world' or, maybe, 'pissing around your tree', so to speak, I apologize. It wasn't my intention to offend; and, one other thing: I still remember my first several months in a dojo. Most of it involved learning how to fall, then there were grasping methods and foot sweeps, followed by ....... (Yup, you got it!) hip throws. Which, without question, I found to be a lot easier to learn how to execute than the foot sweeps which required much more precise timing. (Which is, probably, 'Why' the military doesn't teach foot sweep — Huh!)
Actually, I think you and KFW are about the same age.
That would be impressive. If I remember correctly, KFW is in his late 60s or early 70s and has been teaching for over 45 years.
Umm... Atemi Waza?
Classification of Techniques in Kodokan Judo – Judo Info
And often times will.
And might not.
Except when it does.
Peace favor your sword,
You mush have your combat experience during World War II?
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