Western 10th Degrees. Fake or legit?

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  1. TimoS

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    Well, now that he's here....

    Mr. Calkins, in one thread (that part has been unfortunately deleted) you claimed that your sifu has proven levitation. The question I asked then was that to whom he has proven it ? I never received an answer, but maybe the question got deleted before you had a chance to reply to it...
     
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    Well one thing is for sure, my recent Chinese instrstructor nevered laid claims nor gave rank. You practice until you get it right.

    He doesnt even want to help me undersatnd Chinese.

    Everytime I attempt to find a word/phrase, with his mouth and expression looking like he atsted something bitter, he says;

    "Eh, no learn Chinese. Dis Amica. We speak Amica."

    On ocassion, Shi mu/Si mouh, would give us a cultural lesson, per tradition or language.
     
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    Like when she told you to find out what "grandmaster" is, right?
     
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    Yeah, sometimes there is a response in answer form, but some are in question/request form. The latter racking my brain...
     
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    .... I give...

    :bs:
     
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    For a moment there I thought you could have been someone else without the flag.....cute flag....i didnt see it in the fun icons.....
     
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    But by this reasoning, you could call yourself Baron of Perry because you own the land under your own school (if you do). It's like those who declare themselves professors or Ph.D.'s because they think their study of the martial arts justifies it. It's just not what the term means.
     
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    Or people who call themselves "Dr" after not for medical but other doctrine....
    Or people that get a degree in home-off line....
     
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    LOL, come on Todd, those that do not know they are walking in darkness will never see the light! :)

    :asian:
     
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    Doctor is Latin for Teacher. Heres the "big" listing. I also confirmed this in 2 seperate Latin-English dictionaries.


    Those folks arguing over the term "Soke" may wish to look at this:
    http://www.answers.com/topic/soke

    Soke is not -just- a Japanese word.
     
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    Mr Calkins,
    We realize that you do not have much experience in the martial arts and are not very knowledgeable about things Japanese. We want to help a newcomer like yourself to be able to discuss things like an experienced martial artist rather than remain in ignorance.

    To try to help you understand where we stand, I ask you to answer why you use Japanese terms if you do not want to follow the Japanese definitions? I honestly do not know why assistant instructor is any less of a title because it is English and not Japanese. Sempai does not mean assistant instructor in Japanese. And I can't see why you would want to use a Japanese term and not use it in the same way as the Japanese do.

    If it was a term everyone knows like "karate" then I can imagine why you would use it. Even a person with as little knowledge about Japanese martial arts terms like yourself knows that karate is an art of punching and kicking. But you have to explain what sempai is to 99 percent of the population. It does not make sense to me to use a term that has to be explained, only to change the translation to suit your fancy.
     
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    Sir, clearly somebody does care - some of the traditional Japanese martial artists here care a great deal, and this is quite an insult to your fellow martial artists. Please excuse me, but as "Soke," is this how you wish to be considered?
    1. The bolded reference disturbs me - whom are you referencing?
    2. Could you provide some names of masters who verified the theory, please?
    The sentence doesn't quite make sense as structured - I assume this is a statement expanding on the dirty belt theory?
    Please forgive my ignorance - who is this?
    This is a rather personal slam and I'm a bit surprised it didn't get you into a bit of trouble before this new forum was created. Just a point to remember when you post in the other forums.
     
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    I'm only guessing, but I think he is referring to Angi Uezu, apparently a very high ranking Isshin ryu karate sensei. Here's something about him and some more here

    (Note that I'm saying apparently only because I know nothing about him)
     
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    Then why use traditional Japanese names and titles ?



    Wrong again Calkins ! Titles used are meant to denote your position in the organization.




    Yes, Schools that has affiliation with traditional dojo which legitimitely link them to Japan, Okinawa, China, Korea..etc. This school may use the curricullum set by the hombu dojos



    I don't think I understand what you're posting here, Can you clarify ? Also, you may have heard of these titles, but considering your horrific missued of martial knowledge that you have provided, or should I say entertained us with would know the significance of these titles.



    Don't know who these men are and thier background and I am not familiar with American Kenpo and thier uses of Japanese titles, this would make a separate thread if provided your "allegation" about thier usage is correct. I hope these men are aware that you are speaking on thier behalf on this forum?


    Again, you are starting to show your level of education in the martial arts and it does not look favorable. Again you need to delve deeper into the meaning and its usage of soke's titles and japanese language. I do hope that these students of yours are smart enough to go out and get their facts and history somewhere, otherwise you will have a dojo full of uneducated and misinformed group of people.


    But you do not have lineage to Japanese Martial arts other than the two unknown art you profess to have studied ? Call yourself Headmaster of the Unborn Enlightened american karate, This would give you more credibility. Don't you think ?
     
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    Thank you. :asian:
     
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    *rubs chin* So, Mr. Calkins, what kind of Korean arts have you trained in?
     
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    Good question.
     
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    Hey, thanks for the "heads up".

    But the debate will still go on because the issue of rank is at question along with title.

    And the org that Mr Calkins is asscociated with, make attempts to reference the word with the Japanese culture-I think. I guess in a analogy, it would be like a Asian saying the English word "tree" and re-defining it as meaning a type of stone. But, if the word "tree", is re-define in such as to mean "wood/plant", although not wholely accurate, there is association.

    Cultures have always used things from other cultures rather its food recipes or origins (like Italy with spaghetti), clothing patterns/style, industrial ideas/concepts, medical, and so too word association via etymology. I guess I shouldnt use Japanese, Chinese, Korean, English terms because they have links, or association frim other origins.

    People are concern with words, but take Karate, for example, Japan had "taken/derived" the term from Okinawan martial arts.

    I rather meet someone in person and know them for a while than to cause disrespect.

    My signature is my summary.

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    A.) Very politely done. If ignorance is bliss-there are a lot of happy people out there. However, I cannot totally justify ignorance as non-intelligent. If there is a council or organization that award such rank, it should have been examined by him (Mr Calkins), if such organization understood certain terminology. If the terminology, had a certain cultural reference, i.e. Japan(ese), it should be used as that cultural definition. Before I seek to reference a word (in this case-title) from somewhere, I would take it upon myself to understand its meaning before its usage. Mr. Calkins has fallen into a snare of desired recognition instead of individual merit.

    B.) With this subject, the issue at hand is recognition. Thus, the reason any such organization exists and people like Mr. Calkins seek it. Also, along the issue of rank, if anyone desires to claim such a high rank or title, can being doing out of many reasons. Such reasons as ego, recognition (either by peers or for fame sake), business competition, reference to years training, etc. The issue of Dans/rank lay in the confines of it self. The impossibility to actually make it a “universal standard”

    C.) So, given the term Karate, an American who practices and teaches an art of punching and kicking can use it as a generic reference term for other to associate? So, say for example, one can use it on the sign at their school knowing what it means and using as a reference?

    IMHO, if I were in Mr Calkins position, I would re-think the usage of the term, find another-accurate one or re-think rather to openly post it. Basically, I would give it up and not use it. But this is my HO.123
     

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