Weapon/Tool Development/Anthropology... Formerly Blocking useless?

[jobo]

you didnt read the link.. the domesticated gene does not reliably get passed down. you could get a few docile bison then lose that trait again. you keep trying but you keep losing the trait.
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no, not Reliably, so you eat that one and pull your cart wit one that does have the gene

 

[jobo]

hers the link AGAIN that says the clovis, people are the ancestors of All native Americans, you missed it first time

Where Native Americans come from

 

[drop bear]

and and most especially price, people did not have a need for better quality at at MUCH higher price. So it Didnt meet the Needs of most purchasers. a, vhs players cost me 6 weeks wages in the,early 80s, betermax was three times that, PLUS all the porn was on vhs, so they were never going to win

however every one who has a need for a copper chisel has a need for a bronze one( at least)

Beta VHS for me was choice. More movies were made in VHS. So I went VHS.

 

[jobo]

are you aware that today 90 something % of all bison are genetically altered and mixed with domesticated livestock? there are almost no bison of authentic genetics. this is how we brought the species back and made it easier to control them.


and we also have crocodiles, lions and tigers but you wont get them to pull a cart either.

a quick google,finds there are THOUSANDS of genetically original bison wandering round yellow,stone nation park

 

[jobo]

Beta VHS for me was choice. More movies were made in VHS. So I went VHS.

nothing to do with the abundant supply of porn on vhs then?

 

[pdg]

here is my point though.....
there was only one species on this continent. where the heck were the indians going to get a more domesticated DNA from? sure we can mix species with a lot of differnt Bovine now, but not then...and i wouldnt want that job of manually "stimulating" a male bison to get some DNA

The people who domesticated the auroch didn't have anything else to bung in the mix either nor did they map the genome to engineer different smaller subspecies, yet that's what all modern cattle came from...

Cross breeding other subspecies with bison is simply a shortcut, the regressive gene theory as an excuse to not domesticate them really doesn't hold up to scrutiny if you compare to auroch.

 

[pdg]

and i wouldnt want that job of manually "stimulating" a male bison to get some DNA

Get someone else to do it - according to rule 34 all you need is a camera

 

[jobo]

The people who domesticated the auroch didn't have anything else to bung in the mix either nor did they map the genome to engineer different smaller subspecies, yet that's what all modern cattle came from...

Cross breeding other subspecies with bison is simply a shortcut, the regressive gene theory as an excuse to not domesticate them really doesn't hold up to scrutiny if you compare to auroch.

??? I'm off to google auroch?

 

[jobo]

??? I'm off to google auroch?

says here that hitler brought it back to be a master cow for the master race.
Aurochs: How Hitler and Goering resurrected extinct species to make 'Nazi super cows'
didn't know bovines were this intresting, hope it comes up in a quiz sometime

 

[hoshin1600]

My Google - fu was not as strong today as it usually is. Maybe the topic is just a little too complex for skim reading.

Next time..next time I will crush you...buwahaha.

 

[jobo]

My Google - fu was not as strong today as it usually is. Maybe the topic is just a little too complex for skim reading.

Next time..next time I will crush you...buwahaha.

good fun having a good,debate though,

 

[drop bear]

nothing to do with the abundant supply of porn on vhs then?

 

[pdg]

Interestingly, with reference to bison being unpredictable, from the page that Jobo linked:

"Historical accounts suggests the beasts (auroch) were fast and very aggressive. They were not afraid of humans, and if they were hunted would attack back in response.


Evidence suggests the wild species began to be domesticated around 8,000 years ago"

 

[pdg]

My Google - fu was not as strong today as it usually is. Maybe the topic is just a little too complex for skim reading.

Yes, it's an incredibly complex (and at the same time astoundingly simple) subject - ancient genetic engineering by selective breeding.

Effectively it's survival of the fittest, but having choice over what constitutes 'fittest' for your needs.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Yes, it's an incredibly complex (and at the same time astoundingly simple) subject - ancient genetic engineering by selective breeding.

Effectively it's survival of the fittest, but having choice over what constitutes 'fittest' for your needs.

Most evidence points more to "survival of the best adapted/best at adapting".

 

[drop bear]

Most evidence points more to "survival of the best adapted/best at adapting".

Dogs as pets is the weirdest example of that.

Survival of the cutest.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Dogs as pets is the weirdest example of that.

Survival of the cutest.

That's definitely the case with me. If a dog up for adoption can make an adorable face at me, I'm liable to end up with a new dog. "Strongest" doesn't really matter. "Cutest" gets better food.

 

[JowGaWolf]

your both throwing up a,smoke screen and moving the goal posts

your claim was they were isolated

My Claim is that Native Americans used metal weapons before the arrival of the Europeans and that they weren't in the stone age, and that there is a such thing as a Copper Age. Any movement beyond that topic was of your own doing by pivoting from the original Stone axes vs Metal axes statement from which all of this was born from.

your point seems to be they were backward as they didnt have contact with the rest of the world, when it's equal valid to suggest they didn't have contact or take advantage of that contact because they were backward

Nothing of anything I've said about Native Americans suggest that. You were the one who classified them as not advancing beyond the stone age. I'm the one who posted proof that they were beyond the stone age technology and were working with metal. I'm the one who posted references from reliable surfaces about the technology that they had.

your both throwing up a,smoke screen and moving the goal posts

your claim was they were isolated

My Claim is that Native Americans used metal weapons before the arrival of the Europeans and that they weren't in the stone age, and that there is a such thing as a Copper Age. Any movement beyond that topic was of your own doing by pivoting from the original Stone axes vs Metal axes statement from which all of this was born from.

your point seems to be they were backward as they didnt have contact with the rest of the world, when it's equal valid to suggest they didn't have contact or take advantage of that contact because they were backward

Nothing of anything I've said about Native Americans suggest that. You were the one who classified them as not advancing beyond the stone age. I'm the one who posted proof that they were beyond the stone age technology and were working with metal. I'm the one who posted references from reliable surfaces about the technology that they had.

As for the U.S. being isolated. The fact that they say Columbus "Discovered" the Americas pretty much shows how isolated the Americas was from Europe, Asia, and India who had long been trading goods and knowledge with each other long before Columbus "Discovered" the U.S.

 

[Martial D]

Most evidence points more to "survival of the best adapted/best at adapting".

Which makes a thing more fit for it's environment. Hence fittest.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I'd have to look at how carts were adopted.

Talk about a hijacked thread lol.

Native Americans in what is now the U.S. used Travois. It looks primitive but it's very practical. This would navigate better through animal trails, uneven ground, wooded areas where trees have fallen, up a hill because it doesn't roll back. If you had to go off trail you could easily do this. It could be used with horses, dogs, and humans. In South America the native Americans used llamas to transport items probably for the same reason the Travois were use. It was more efficient and in some cases safer than using a wheeled cart due to the terrain. A quick google image search for llamas carrying supplies will clearly show where these animals are traveling where a wheeled cart would cause problems.

It is also said that there was also a lack of animals of burden that could carry the load that a cart would carry. I can see where this would be the case in maybe central and South America, but not so much in the case of North America where there are Bison. So there had to be another reason to not use a wheel. They made wheel like objects but it doesn't seem to have advanced beyond that for some reason. Which isn't uncommon for civilizations. According to historians the oldest evidence of a wheeled vehicle is in Turkey. They say that the science of the wheel spread through the countries trading with each other. Like you come to my country and see the wheel. You ask what is that and where can you get one. I take it back to my country in plan on making money by creating it in my country and with each new creation improvements were made.