Video clip survey: How to define Martial Arts and Combat Sports?

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  1. Martin Meyer

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    Hello,
    I am currently working on a scientific article which deals with the question:

    How to define martial arts and combat sports?


    For this, I set up a study. Participants are asked to evaluate fifty very short (around 15 seconds each) fighting videos. Trust me: It is really fun to do and it will make you reflect about your own about martial arts definition.
    It would be excellent if you could participate! Please share!
    Link: Questionnaire

    Best regards,
    Dr. Martin Meyer, University of Vechta
     
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  2. Buka

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    Welcome to Martial Talk, Doc.

    Survey completed.

    I'm going to P.M you with some info so as to not influence anybody.

    P.S. That was kind of fun. At least as surveys go.
     
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  3. kempodisciple

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    That was cool.

    I really wish I could discuss some of those videos, but like buka don't want to influence any future surveyers. I will say one thing though- I'm curious about some of the videos; I clicked the youtube links for a few, but no info was listed there either. @Martin Meyer if you have a list of what each was a video of, and are willing to PM them to me, I would really appreciate it.
     
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    Thank you guys for participating!
    @Buka I have replied to your PM
    @kempodisciple I will send you the list ASAP. The videos have no further information and no sound b/c I edited them this way to not influence participants.
     
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    Welcome to MT, that was fun, as well as thought provoking.
     
  6. Kung Fu Wang

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    MA is your goal. Combat sport is your path.
     
  7. Danny T

    Danny T Senior Master

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    Hmmm,
    Okay I did the survey unfortunately there is no way to give any real context to the answer choices.
     
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    The survey failed partway through (less than 50%, I think) - couldn't get back into it.
     
  9. Martin Meyer

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    @Kung Fu Wang Thank you for your support!
    @Danny T I know it is not easy to categorize several clips. But if I have asked participants: »How do you define MA?«, I would have had more than a hundred different descriptions. The clips are that short to prevent influencing your impression. That also why there aren't any titles or style names. I hope you understand! Thank you for participating!
    @gpseymour I am sorry about that. In a few cases the site is crashing, but I don't know any reasons nor I am able to fix that. Thank you nevertheless!
     
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    i enjoyed that. i would have liked to have had one or two more choices. some things are a replica or a portrayal of something but not the thing itself so how i perceive that portrayal may not have been the same intent as the creator of the quiz. i think there are some clips that both the creators and the martial arts viewer will not understand or be familiar with what they are seeing, causing a false perception. so i find that interesting and how that will be played out in the final analysis.
     
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    Very cool. Lots of interesting edge cases. I would also like the list of original sources for the clips.
     
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    That was fun. Welcome to the forum Mr. Meyer.
     
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    Welcome sir.
    I understand. It's just some are gray areas. Asking if a scene from a movie is a martial art or combat sport is a no for me but is certainly ma themed. Same as some competitions and entertainments; though themed as a MA or a sport they really aren't.
     
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  14. Martin Meyer

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    @hoshin1600 You're absolutey right, sir. It was very difficult to choose appropiate clips, which are short, informatory but not too much implicatory. Also, the number of clips has to be not too long to scare away participants.
    @dvcochran Thank you, sir!
    @Danny T The movie clips from Crouching Tiger, Last Samurai and Jackie Chan are difficult, yes. Several people seem to rate this clips solely based on the fact that these are from movies.
     
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    Huh. My assumption with the movie clips was that it was to see how martial artists viewed those compared to nonmartial artists.
     
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    @kempodisciple Yeah, this is part of the research question. But the main question is how our definition of martial arts is structured and where is the "border" of martial arts (if there is one).
     
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    I somewhat died after that first video though.

    I have cockhanded definition of both and martial arts can have a combat sport in them. And unless i wasnt meant to i didnt just use the clip if i knew what style was in question. :p
     
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    When I read the description of the survey, I was like "this will be easy."
    By about the 3rd video I was like "oh this is good."

    When can we discuss the specific videos? I'd also like the links, if you can send them to me.
     
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    Took the test. That was rather interesting. Based off my percieved definition of what a combat sport vs. Martial art is, each clip was unique which requires a different interpretation. Some clips were definitely in the gray area.
     
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