USSD Shaolin Books

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  1. RevIV

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    Has anyone purchased or read these books? I got on a spam list somehow so every week i get an email about these books.. I remember Danjo once saying he would rather spend $200. on ea. book then $200 a month for lessons from them. I would just like to know if anyone has read any of these or at least heard feed back from someone. I guess it is a 10 book series of the secrets of the Shaolin Temple.
    Jesse
     
  2. Danjo

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    The only SKK books I have read are the USSD Manual, The Master's Manual, Demasco's Shaolin book and Villari's Martial Arts and Real Life. None of them are anything to write home about IMO.
     
  3. 14 Kempo

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    Here ya go ...

    http://www.shaolinsecrets.com/

    I haven't read them, in fact, I haven't even heard any pros or cons.

    Imagine that, me being clueless ... go figure ... LOL
     
  4. RevIV

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    I just remember you making that comment awhile back and it made me laugh but it stayed in my mind none the less. If these truly are the temple manuscripts i would love to know what they are like.
    Jesse
     
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    is this a typo on the site:

    The Head Abbot passing on
    the Sacred Manuscripts
    to Professor Matrera
     
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    DavidCC Master of Arts

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    I think it is unlikely that the real scrolls made it past 1928. if they did they probably were lost in the communist cultural revolution when the temple was destroyed -again-. but, you never know... :rolleyes:
     
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    William/Bill Huff, who owns the shaolin secret site, posted on this board once introducing himself and what not, but I think he hasn't been on since then.
     
  8. Morgan

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    You're right, it is possible that these highly valued books could have been hidden and preserved through 1928 and the communist cultural revolution.
    It is also possible that the books could have been physically destroyed but the contents were held in the learned minds and physical training of the monks. Therefore the books/scrolls could have been reconstructed at a later time and place. None of what I've just posted is anything more than speculation. OTOH I won't be buying these "secret" books. That's a fact.

    Morgan
     
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    I have the first volume. The book itself is nice. $200 worth? I don't think so. There's a lot of information in it...some formula's are in it, but I wouldn't try to make any of the formula's. The translation for some of the herbs could potentially be wrong because of the characters. I remember them saying that it was hard to translate the scrolls because of the language differences of then and now. It's unfortunate too because it would be nice to make some of the formula's. However, I don't know how TCM works and I don't want to chance using the herbs and killing myself by accident.
     
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    Ahhh, glass half empty type ...
     
  11. Josh Oakley

    Josh Oakley Senior Master

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    My instructor has one of the books, and there really is a lot of good information in them (greatly improved my horse stance, and learned a fun way to pinch someone into submission in the first half hour of skimming). However, I don't plan on buying them any time soon. The most I've ever paid for a college text book is about a hundred dollars, and I'd consider buying them at that price, but I think the price currently charged is not worth it. Maybe when I have oodles of money to throw at something. But I'm getting much more personally out of practicing the core curriculum and understanding the different applications thereof, through practice and my time with my instructor.

    They're great books, but at the price offered, I think I'll pass.
     
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    I agree. It's too much money for a book.
     
  13. MrGiggiles2007

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    This is another far fetched attempt at validation. It is a scam I am sure. Chuck ran out of material the day he started and back bit his way into half of the Vallari franchises so now he needs something else to peddle to the gullable. he should be asshamed you can not get talent or skill from a book.
     
  14. Josh Oakley

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    Well, I guess we should throw out The Book of Five Rings, The Art of War, Infinite Insights into Kenpo, and many other books on the martial arts. They're absolutely useless, and offer no insight in the art and science of fighting, right? Fact of the matter is, books on martial arts have served as a supplement to training in both Eastern and Western martial arts for pretty much as long as there have been books-- or scrolls for that matter. It is the primary source for martial arts knowledge? Of course not. But that doesn't devalue the role of books in the martial arts.

    Now Now as to their connection to USSD, make of it what you will. But in logic, to base the validity of information on its source is called an ad hominem fallacy. It has no bearing on the information itself where it came from. it it provides a benefit to training, or even has value from a historical standpoint, it doesn't matter that USSD is selling it. but it does come from the Shaolin temple. Don't believe me? Fine, ask the abbot. He'll be in Long Beach at the end of august with some other monks for a seminar. Doubt the validity of the modern Shaolin? fine. Challenge one to a match. Then decide.

    But none of that really has anything to to do with the book itself. If the book has good information in it, then it's a valid book on training. Doesn't matter whether USSD is selling it or not. And it's a good book. There's nothing to be ashamed about in selling that book. I don't think it's priced appropriately, but apparently enough people did that it'll remain at that price for a while.

    Now as far as Professor Mattera running out of material... come on, man. For one, Professor Mattera isn't the only person who puts material into the system, nor is he the only person who decides the material in the system. And there have been changes in the curriculum since the break-off. But i have this feeling you have no intention of even looking at the book because USSD sells it. We're back to ad hominem.
     
  15. MeatWad2

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    I have a friend that was there when the scrolls were passed to Mattera. As far as the material that is in the system, Fred Villari put the majority of it there. The weapons forms are from elsewhere...the 5 animal forms are from Tak Wah Eng, but someone ruined that relationship with him. Not trying to bad mouth or anything, but that's the truth. I don't think the book is reasonably priced, and when it comes down to it, I think my BioChemistry book has more priority than the Shaolin Secrets Book.
     
  16. RevIV

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    so to my first question.. has anyone read these books?
    Jesse
     
  17. Josh Oakley

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    Again, the material in SKK is irrelevant to the material in the books. but as far as the price... we're in agreement. Which is why I never bought the book; I've only read it.
     
  18. Josh Oakley

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    Jesse: Me and Meatwad, looks like.
     
  19. mrshaolin

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    Does anyone know if these books can still be found anywhere? I know the original publisher of the site is no longer involved with them, but I'd still like to see the books.

    ---

    Looking to learn mantis, crane, or wing (sp?) kung fu..
     
  20. Flying Crane

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    Are you looking to learn these from a book?
     

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