Tun tou in wing chun
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Moot sau??? Sounds irrelevant. 
Functionally much like the elbow returning to center from fak sau to fook sau at the end of the first third of Chum Kiu.
We never used the "float, sink, swallow, spit" terminology, although I can see analogous movements. You could find it in tan-da for example. Seems like we've already had that discussion. So why would I want to type-out a detailed description of other, similar techniques that use something like swallow-spit only to be told how wrong I am? Right now, I prefer to sit back and listen.
Functionally much like the elbow returning to center from fak sau to fook sau at the end of the first third of Chum Kiu.
We never used the "float, sink, swallow, spit" terminology, although I can see analogous movements. You could find it in tan-da for example. Seems like we've already had that discussion. So why would I want to type-out a detailed description of other, similar techniques that use something like swallow-spit only to be told how wrong I am? Right now, I prefer to sit back and listen.
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Dunno...but I think wc has these things. Sadly, I lack the ability to express them in written form given that it's late and I'm old and crusty and sleepy...
Absolutely the mainland systems of Wing Chun have these! They are actually 4 of the 18 "Kiu Sau principles" of Tang Yik Weng Chun. They are found in Pin Sun Wing Chun and explicitly trained in some of the sets. Anyone that thinks this is not traditionally part of Wing Chun has just not seen much of the variety of Wing Chun!
Sorry Guy, you'll have to answer that since I have no knowledge of SPM. Pak Mei, Lung Ying, or any other Southern Fist other than WC. But from a pure WC perspective, at least my lineage, we maintain forward intent, even when one hand yields as the other extends. Even the yielding technique has forward pressure, it may be "yin" to the other's yang, but it doesn't withdraw, or "swallow". That would be a big difference.
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That would be a big difference. Would you say then that these ideas are incompatible with your wing chun, or at least that you can't think of a way in which they could be compatible?
No offence but the clips you found of SPM and LY are very poor examples. There isn't much genuine material from either of these on youtube. While Evo's basics is, well...basic, it is at least the real system being shown. I think it is about the best example of any of the Hakka systems on youtube from what I have seen. Swallow spit very emphasised in SPM. Can it be used in wing chun?
Sorry. I don't share such things with "stupid people" whose main purpose seems to be to criticize what others do.
There are two guy b's now? Would make an interesting time
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There are two guy b's now? Would make an interesting time
ha! just noticed that. yes, quite interesting!
There are two guy b's now? Would make an interesting time
I didn't say I wouldn't share with you!
Why do you post such things on various threads? You do it all the time.
My guess is that it is the same Guy B with a new account to dodge the moderators. His posting style is certainly the same!
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I think I am one of the most open and productive posters on this forum. Any comments referencing Philipp Bayer's "stupid people" comment were made in the context of a thread where people were trolling for info without contributing anything. By contrast it is possible to share everything in an atmosphere of mutual trust.
I am prepared to move past that unfortunate argument if you are.
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