The Next US President

[michaeledward]

Not a bad come-back there Mike. But why do you keep using the name of a class I took in College against me? I didn't say I mastered the material, but it did open my eyes.
It worked out for me just fine really. Thanks for asking.

Well, it seems that you are presenting a great deal of 'Bias' as 'Fact'. Of course, having studied how to 'Detect', 'Avoid' and 'Expose' biases certainly would put you in the position to know what you are presenting.

Respecting a senator doesn't even compare to respecting the Executive Office.
I feel this is apples and oranges.
Besides, I didn't make up a childish name for him... just imply that he scares/worries me.
He does.

I am not sure why the office of President is apples and the office of United States Senator is oranges, perhaps you could explain?

Well, let's see again ... Feisty Mouse was scolded for referring to the President by his nickname, but then you refer to a Senator in a derogatory nickname. I never heard anyone posit that 'W' was considered disrespectful to the President, especially when this President is known for giving out nicknames (Kenneth 'Kenny Boy' Lay, Paul 'Pablo' O'Neill).

For more nicknames - This link is a joke : http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/071702.asp

PS: I chose NOT to 'avoid' bias...why should I? I'm opinionated.

Cheers! Me too. Mike

 

[Bammx2]

I disagree with just about every sentiment you express here. But, I think it is less about not being able to find someone who believes as you believe, and more about something else ... I can't imagine what.

In case you haven't heard, there is always someone other than a Republican or Democrat running for office. Of course, if you haven't seen an election ballot, then you might not be aware of how many people actually run for President. I am sure, however, that you have heard of 'Ralph Nader'.

But let us assume for a moment, that all the Presidential candidate's hold positions alien to your own. Why does the prevent you from voting your State representatives, your municiple representatives, or any ballot initiatives in your state?

Further, why not put your own name on the ballot, and help eliminate some of that 'evil' (I don't believe in evil, at least in your description).

Here's a primer.

Mike



http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/election1/

You have every right to disagree with me.Just as I have every right to disagree with you.Yes,I have heard of "Ralph Nader".....so? I don't agree with him either.
Once again...back to the original issue. I don't "vote" for what I believe in whole heartedly.I don't care what anybody says or what "party" they hide behind....we have had enough of "professional" politicians.
If WE are the government....then why don't we have a retired brick layer running? Or a forklift driver without a degree in anything? And I don't mean just "on the ballots"....I mean RUNNING!

Thanks for the website though!

 

[Bammx2]

I checked out the website.....

As I have said....a "working class person" has NO chance and it is written right there in black&white.
WE, the government, are the working class.................am I the only one who sees anything wrong with that?
please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Feisty Mouse]

Hey all

Excuse the brief and perhaps typo-laden post, as I am laid up with a fever. Oh, the nobilities of getting up and lecturing to students early in the am - now my fever has gotten the best of me.

Brother John, I was simply responding in kind to your comments - why were your opinions right, and needed no backup, and mine were wrong, and did?

Anyways, I think we should move this discussion, which I am enjoying quite a bit, to another thread - we are ganking the original intent, which was simply to put feelers out for who people wanted to vote for, not start a big debate.

Me, I likes them debates, but we should take this to a different thread.

Having said that, I wish you all a pleasant night - I am going to take my lecture material to bed and try to get over this fever before it completely clobbers me.

ETA: whoever gave me negative rep points and called me a "deluded twit" can discuss this here, if you'd like. I'd rather know who was under the impression that I am deluded, lol!

 

[michaeledward]

Hey Fiesty Mouse ... we must be exposing some uncomfortable truths to someone ... I got a nasty gram post too ... something to the effect of "That's a lot of insults for one post" on a post where there were no insults (irony, yes - insults, no). I know insults, and I am (unfortuneatly) a terribly obvious person ... if I were insulting someone (and I try not to do that too much here ... I've been spanked once or twice), everybody knows it.

And, although the thread has gotten a bit off topic ... The Study is one of the places where such thread-drift is more acceptable ... and, every conversation drifts around a bit as it progresses, doesn't it?

Get some rest, that always seems to help me ... even when I ain't sick. Mike

 

[BlueDragon1981]

Once agian this was not suppose to end up in debate. All I want is a name...

By the way raising taxes is not always a bad thing. Every always thinks it is but as long as the raise is not drastic...it can have a lot of benefits on the economy if spent right. Thats all I'm going to Say.

ONCE AGAIN NAMES ONLY PLEASE

Kerry for me

 

[Bammx2]

gee...I got me a negative rep point...I like the red dot

Now...was it because I went off topic or because I was honest with a personal opinion?
I am just curious so I don't make the same mistake twice.I'm not here to battle with anyone.

 

[heretic888]

ETA: whoever gave me negative rep points and called me a "deluded twit" can discuss this here, if you'd like. I'd rather know who was under the impression that I am deluded, lol!

T'was me, Fiesty Mouse!! I recieve joy by causing pain to you and your deluded self. :supcool:

Meh. Or not. :asian:

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Please report abuses of the rep system to the admin team. We will investigate and if we determine that the comments are a problem, we will take appropriate action.

I will be making some changes shortly to the system which may reduce some of the problems we've seen.

 

[Brother John]

Hey Mouse-

Yah know what, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that your 'reasons' needed justification and mine did not. Honestly, that's just not right, I apologize. I could site my sources, but that'd be so very tedious and boring. Overall they come from the GOP web-site ( www.GOP.Com ). As my brother Robert said, it's just the propaganda from the right whereas you, Mike and others are telling the propaganda from the left. By definition...we are all spouting propaganda I guess. Just depends on who's propaganda you find more convincing. Stats aren't "truth", just numbers that lean heavily in the direction of the idiology of the one that pulled and judged them. I could find lots to support my position in support of President Bush, I'm sure you and Mike could find plenty to do the opposite.

Truth be told my reasons for advocating the reelection of President Bush is simpler than all the mess I've thrown out so far:
1. I like his view on taxes and feel he is doing well for our economy.
2. I like his opposition to partial birth abortion, and hate Kerry's stance on same.
3. I feel that President Bush handled 9/11 very well and will do the best to protect us in the future.
4. I'm conservative/Republican, so is he....and I like his personality.
5. I feel that the greatest/most frequently given reason almost anyone gives for electing Sen. Kerry is that "He isn't Bush"...which I feel is a LOUSY reason to elect anyone.

MIKE: Maybe I should put more thought into the respect I show toward a Senator, even if I am diametrically opposed to almost everything he does and says.

EVERYONE: I've been too harsh about all this. I have several office-mates who are on either side of the fence on this issue and we all tend to stir up some rather heated debate over this. I brought my "heat" with me here. But I don't come to Martial Talk for a political debate...I come here for fun, for an E-hobby. So this will be my last contribution to this thread, unless a question is directed at me specifically. (Try to PM me, I check those and respond)

Thanks everyone...
Don't forget to vote and encourage everyone else to as well...Democrat, Republican or otherwise.

Your Brother
John

 

[Bammx2]

Please report abuses of the rep system to the admin team. We will investigate and if we determine that the comments are a problem, we will take appropriate action.

I will be making some changes shortly to the system which may reduce some of the problems we've seen.

How do I get in touch with the admin team to report things?

 

[Nightingale]

you can either hit the "report to mod" button at the top of the post, or drop one of us a PM. If it was something that happened in a specific forum (like this one), tell your forum mod (for this forum, me, or see the announcements forum for a complete list) via PM or email ([email protected]). If its a general issue (this person is stalking me across the entire board or something), PM a supermod or admin. Mods only have direct power in their assigned fora, supermods and admins have power across the board.

 

[michaeledward]

Please report abuses of the rep system to the admin team. We will investigate and if we determine that the comments are a problem, we will take appropriate action.

I will be making some changes shortly to the system which may reduce some of the problems we've seen.

Bob ... I do not feel that someone marking a 'disapprove' on my post is necessarily a bad thing. As I mentioned, I am a pretty opinionated guy, and if someone disagrees with my opinion, I can understand the response of giving out a little red tick-mark. I, quite probably, have done it more than once, myself.

Oh .. and for a name

Lyndon LaRouche

 

[Flatlander]

Once agian this was not suppose to end up in debate. All I want is a name...

By the way raising taxes is not always a bad thing. Every always thinks it is but as long as the raise is not drastic...it can have a lot of benefits on the economy if spent right. Thats all I'm going to Say.

ONCE AGAIN NAMES ONLY PLEASE

Kerry for me

I don't think that this thread can possibly go back to the original topic without debate, unless everyone quits posting, and everyone waits until someone new comes along. By then, the thread will have died, and no longer be obvious (near the top), thereby decreasing the likelyhood a new poster will jump in. I figure everyone that is prepared to make their view known has likely done so by now. Besides which, how can there be a "study" topic with no debate? It's like a turkey sandwich with no mayo, or a horse with no legs.

I'm Canadian, so I'll not be voting in the US election. That's my opinion. Regardless, the debate makes a good read, and whatever goes on down there will effect us up here.

 

[Nightingale]

giving out a negative rep point for a post you dislike or disagree with is not abuse, however, I would encourage people to save negative rep points for people who are being rude, rather than those who are being civil in disagreeing with you.

commenting with that rep point "you're a freakin' moron!" or something similar is abuse. The reputation point system is not a place where members can anonymously attack other members.

 

[michaeledward]

I don't think that this thread can possibly go back to the original topic without debate, unless everyone quits posting, and everyone waits until someone new comes along. By then, the thread will have died, and no longer be obvious (near the top), thereby decreasing the likelyhood a new poster will jump in. I figure everyone that is prepared to make their view known has likely done so by now. Besides which, how can there be a "study" topic with no debate? It's like a turkey sandwich with no mayo, or a horse with no legs.

I'm Canadian, so I'll not be voting in the US election. That's my opinion. Regardless, the debate makes a good read, and whatever goes on down there will effect us up here.

I agree with you quite a bit here .... and don't let that 'being a Canadian' thing stop you from voting here in the states ... little things like laws aren't meant to be obeyed when it comes to something as serious as an election. [ THAT IS A JOKE ]

I did hear that there are some are some citizens who have residency in two states ... (for instance, Florida & Pennsylvania) ... where they voted in both states.

And ... for a Name ... Gene Amondson - Prohibition Candidate

P.S. For those undecided, a complete list of Presidential Candidates can be found here : http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president_party.php?party_name=All&sort=candidate_lastname

 

[michaeledward]

I dunno, but Kerry has flip-flopped on everything from SUV's to Affirmative Action. Like Gore, he will say or do anything to get elected. I'd prefer someone a little more centered, if at all.

I don't think there is any successful elected official that you can't find having said one thing and done another ...

See http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263

President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief

July 7, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

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2. Patient's Right to Sue

GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

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3. Tobacco Buyout

BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

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4. North Korea

BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

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5. Abortion

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

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6. OPEC

BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

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7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

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8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

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9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

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10. Ahmed Chalabi

BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

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11. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

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12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

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13. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

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14. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

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15. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

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16. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

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17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

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18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

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19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

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20. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

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21. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

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22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

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23. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

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24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

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25. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]
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[Feisty Mouse]

Wow.

 

[TwistofFat]

FM - I agree. That was the longest post I have ever seen...

 

[Feisty Mouse]

lol - I meant, Wow, that was an interesting post. But you made me smile.