The best place to become a warrior?

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  1. Joab

    Joab 2nd Black Belt

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    Could this be the United States Marine Corps? So contended one of my former teachers. The discipline, tenacity, and skills instilled by the Corps are indeed legendary, and few would say they are not the best at what they do. Granted, they focus on group tactics, granted they emphasize rifle training over hand to hand, granted few Marines could defeat a champion in the Cage. But than again, how many Cage fighters could best a Marine on a battlefield? Where do you believe is the best place to become a warrior? All opinions appreciated, and to all the Marines out there, thank you for your service to the country, Semper Fi!
     
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    I wouldn't disagree with that at all. The MCMAP is the Marine Core Martial Arts Program and I've seen some documentary on it and it looks very good. I don't know if every Marine goes through it but two of my best friends are Marines and they have very sound basic fighting skills, the kind that get the job done, quickly. I would also say that any elite special forces unit such as SEALs, Green Beret, Airborne etc, would provide skills that are tough to replicate in the private sector because of the immersion in the training. While most civilians return to their day job so to speak these guys live their training, which gives them unparalled experience.
     
  3. Joab

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    I'm impressed with MCMAP as well. I agree that all of those units you listed would do an excellent job as well.
     
  4. Cirdan

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    I`d say the Gurkhas have a shot.

    Kind of hard to define the best since soidiers train for different missions and conditions all over the world. The Finnish and Norwegian armies excel at arctic warfare for instance.
     
  5. Daniel Sullivan

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    I'd say that the military is certainly the best place and the Marines are, overall, probably the best choice. Navy Seals, Green Berets, and other elite unites of the various service branches are also good choices, depending upon what you want your area of expertise to be.

    I would even go so far as to say that a battle hardened soldier who has had to use hand to hand combat in the field may mop up in the cage as well. Speculation on my part, admittedly.

    Daniel
     
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    You can get hand-to-hand training most everywhere, but we Marines treasure our history and warrior ethos above all else. Fist? Whatever. Rifle? Sure. Knife? Okay. Doesn't really matter. What matters is the skill and character of the Marine - the REAL weapon.

    We have a rich and proud history of being outnumbered and outgunned, yet still winning. Do a Google search for Chesty Puller, John Basilone, Wesley Fox, and John Ripley.

    For more recent history, read the Navy Cross citation for my friend Brent Morel. http://www.1streconbnassociation.org/MorelNC.htm

    I may be biased, though. ;)

    Our warrior tradition goes back to 1775... predating the Meiji Restoration... so I guess that makes us koryu, no?

    http://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/usmc_quotations.htm

    Bear in mind, though, that not everyone can be a Marine. ;)
     
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    Hadn't thought of that, but I suppose technically.. yes.

    It also is a true martial art.

    Daniel
     
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    Why, in the WWE of course.
    They have an 'ultimate warrior'.
    Can't get much better than that, right ;)

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    If you ask a marine, he will say the marines. If you ask a seal, he'll say the seals. Same for airborne rangers, delta force, and other groups.
     
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    Damned right! Excuse me, must go back to sharpening my K-Bar...
     
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    It would absolutely be a good place to start and you would have a lot of resources available to you, but as with everything else YMMV. Even in the Marine Corps there is a wide variety of ability in this regard and you would have to make some choices to better steer you in the direction you are trying to go. If what you are looking for is strictly warfighting skills then you would not want to sign up under, for example, an admin MOS and then receive only boot camp plus the minimum yearly training required. You would want to sign a contract for a guaranteed combat MOS, volunteer for any training or deployment that comes along, and augment your training with private studies and PT.

    Assuming that you don't get hit with a psych eval for actually volunteering for stuff, you'll be the ultimate hardcharger. ;)
     
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    My Security Platoon was made up of entirely of Bulk Fuel Marines, except for one - and HE was a warehouseman! Oh, they could rumble, believe me. Let's not count out ALL the "non-combat" guys. ;)
     
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    Oh hey, I'm not discounting them at all. My tod was more or less during peacetime, so it wasn't as much of an "all in" thing where everybody was in the field. I think as a general outline for what he's looking for, he would want to pursue those MOS's rather than count on there being a major deployment.

    We had a guy in our barracks who was, IIRC, a pc tech. Big dude from Texas. Liked to get in fights at the e-club. One morning a buddy came up and said, "Hey, did you hear about Johnson? He got in a fight with Motor T last night."

    "Oh yeah? Anyone I know?"

    "No dude - he got in a fight with Motor T".
     
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    You are correct, sir, but as a guy who was on recruiting duty for three years, what I can tell you is that you can't always get what you want. We'd call those guys "program dependent." Believe it or not, sometimes we have enough infantrymen. Sometimes you have to grow where you're planted.
     
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    Best place to be warrior; Iraq or Affghanistan...
    If you go Marine or Army go infantry; everything else is support...

    I have nothing against non-combat MOSs but lets face it there are enough people LARPing the term "warrior" for learning and MA and never see fight out of grade school much less combat. Experience is the valuible thing you can ever get and its free to ;)
     
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    The best place to become a warrior?
    I don’t know, Seals, Green Barrett, Rangers, IDF, SAS, PLA... 12th century Japan...etc.
     
  16. Tez3

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    In terms of training you would be better if it had been possible to join the British Infantry which has 23 weeks basic training or the Royal Marines 36 weeks to the USMC's 12 weeks. There is more all round training which means every soldier who passes out from basic can if necessary actually function on his own or even lead in a frontline wartime situation. The training is in modern warfare, teaching self discipline and leadership skills, far less emphasis on spit and polish these days more on military stuff thats usefullike how to call down an air strike accurately. Our forces learn their history of course but it takes too long to learn so many centuries worth!

    Cirdan, Norwegian troops are ace. Our local regiment, The Green Howards has your King as it's Colonel in Chief ( he comes across here quite often for regimental dinners, parades etc) and the Norwegian soldiers often come across for joint exercises complete with their penguin! Great guys.
     
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    Thanks Tez, I enjoyed joint exercises with the Brithish boys back in the Infantry and CSS myself. We had some of your specialists on loan for an extended period of time also. Great guys and fun to work with.
    Cheers and God save the Queen :cheers:
     
  18. Sukerkin

    Sukerkin Have the courage to speak softly

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    Well said, that man :bows: {raises glass to her Royal Highness}.
     
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    Didn't mean to disrespect other countries militaries, I may have an American bias. I'm sure all the units you mentioned would do a great job as well.
     
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