TaeKuekKwon & SoRimJangKwon Hyungs

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  1. llosik

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    I have added both Tae Kuek Kwon and So Rim Jang Kwon Hyungs to my books on Tang Soo Do Hyungs by Len Losik.

    So Rim Jang Kwon Hyung was added to the "Tang Soo Do Book of Hyungs, Volume III", and Tae Kuek Kwon Hyung was added to "Tang Soo Do Complete Book of Hyungs". They will be available for sale at Amazon.com as soon as existing stock on hand is sold, this could be late fall, winter '03.

    When browsing at Amazon.com, use my last name or Tang Soo Do to search for books.
     
  2. Zepp

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    I'm curious. Do your books explore the origins of these hyung?
     
  3. llosik

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    Hi Zepp,

    The origins of these two hyungs will be exlpored in upcoming book(s) currently being written.

    Many schools still use them today.
     
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    Will your upcoming book also explore the origins of the TSD forms that were originally Okinawan? I'd be particularly interested in it if it did. :asian:
     
  5. llosik

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    I have existing books I have published and are available at Amazon.com on Tang Soo Do that I give credit to both Okinawan and Japanese martial artists for the Korean Hyungs.

    I also publish a table which has all the Tang Soo Do hyungs and the Okinawan and Japanese Kata names for the same ones. I have published this about 10 times in martial arts magazines and books. I call this the Hyung to Kata Translation Matrix. You should be able to find it in the description of my books on Amazon.com.
     
  6. TSDMDK16485

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    what abouty the ship dan kuem hyung
     
  7. Mr. Daly

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    Do you have copies of the SoRimJangKwon and TaeKuekKwon hyungs as done by GM Hwang Kee. I have been searching for these, but have not found them, except as Wu Shu and Tai Chi Chuan forms.
     
  8. rmclain

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    You won't find these except as a myth in MDK circles. I've yet to find anyone that can physically demonstrate the MDK Jang Kwon form.

    I believe that Hwang Kee tried to learn Jang Kwon Hyung by watching Yoon Byung-in (YMCA Kwon Bup Bu) at demonstrations between 1946-49, then teach it to his students. Sort of like he did by reading Gichin Funakoshi's book on the Pinan forms then instructing them to MDK students. Grandmaster Kim Ki-whang (working in a senior position to Hwang Kee at the Transportation Administration (RR)) mentioned that Hwang Kee was always interested and following Yoon Byung-in around to demonstrations to watch. Probably, Hwang Kee just tried to memorize Jang Kwon by watching. He probably later gave up, but already taught his perception of the form to a few people. But, the copied version just "fizzled out" in the MDK and has evolved into some sort of legend.

    R. McLain
     
  9. McZ

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    Have you got a videos of this hyungs? or videos of Chil Sung 6-7 and Hwa Sun?
     
  10. Chizikunbo

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    McZ....the Tang Soo Do Mi Guk Kwan offers DVD's (www.tsdmgk.com) that detail most if not all the chil sungs and yukrhos...as well as hwa sun...
    You may find these in the federation materials as well...www.soobahkdo.com...the TSD SBD Vol. 2 has Yuk Rho 1-3 as well as a version of Hwa Sun...the reason I say version is because it is supposedly different that the one demonstrated by KJN Hwang Kee, as KJN H.C. Hwang introduced a different version of the form to the senior members (chil dan and up) of the USSBDMDKF...
    good luck in your search,
    --josh
     
  11. Muwubu16858

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    on the matter at hand, if you get the Soo Bahk Do Dae Gam written by Hwang Kee (the korean version, not the english volume one) it has So Rim Jang Kwon and Tae Kuk Kwon being performed. But understand that as for these forms, the descriptions are in chinese, and unless you understand the meanings behind the movements, there's really no point in trying them out at all. Also note that Tae Kuk Kwon (Tai Chi Chuan) is the only hyung out of the original 39 he lists in the Dae Gam and Volume One that he learned in China. As has been said many times, the other 38 were from Okinawan Karate styles that he picked up from books and colaborations with other kwan founders wh learned in Japan.
     
  12. JT_the_Ninja

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    Reminds me of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, where Jade Fox could only learn so much from the Wudan manual because she could only "study the diagrams." Sorry if that sounds completely random.
     
  13. Chizikunbo

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    Muwubu actually SRJK is discussed, but not really demonstrated except for a couple postures...
    In all actuality the Chinese used in the text was quite odd, and descriptive. GM Charles Ferraro of the Tang Soo Do Mi Guk Kwan actually had it translated at the UN...here it is

    The Tae Keuk Kwon has more pictures as well as applications...I have them and it is interesting, but not shattering.

    take care,
    --josh
     
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    I think I have the pages from Hwang Kee's book describing So Rim Jang Kwon. I don't know if this is the same book as you referenced. But, it is supposed to be from Hwang Kee's book written in Korean. I was told by a native Korean that the writing is "jibberish" and doesn't really make sense. My Korean is not good enough to verify this. But, I trust the opinion of the reader.

    I'm not sure what the form is referencing with the word "Naianghi." But, it could be a reference to the Okinawan form, "Naihanchi" which is also known as "Tekki," "Chulki," "Kima," and "Naebojin."

    R. McLain


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    what book do you have of hwang kee's? the soo bahk do dae gam is his master text and the copy i have is from 1970. if you can show a pic of the cover, i can tell you the book
     
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    on another note, hangul itself can be jibberish to readers, since the spoken language uses a lot of the same sounds for many words, and hangul is phonetic. to understand better, one would need to read and understand hanja. but your friend is right that what it says is jibberish....you wouldhave had to learn the hyung from someone who learned it from GM Hwang, or whomever else knew that form at that time.
    I have seen them done before, and their is a lot of actions that aren't picture but are described, and just like reading one's personal notebook in korean, who really knows what is meant except by the writer himself.
     
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    Muwubu,

    I believe that the Jibberish being referred to is the Hangul on the front of Mr. Losik's book. I have read most of Hwang Kee's books in Hangul and I can assure it....It is Korean (some hanja, but mostly Hangul).

    On the other hand, the front of Mr. Losik's book is complete jibberish. He made an ATTEMPT to write the words Tang Soo Do in Hangul and failed miserably.

    I just returned to the US from a year in Korea and read Hangul very well. I'm not the best translator without a Korean helper, but I can at least pronounce all the words.
     
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    I placed a .jpg of the Jang Kwon text I have as my avatar. I don't know if you can grab that picture and read it. If not, private e-mail me and I'll send the file to you.

    R. McLain
     
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    Some Tae Keuk Kwon Pages
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