drop bear
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Usually easy to tell which is the tool.
Only if you dont look closely.
Usually easy to tell which is the tool.
The tone of the initial post probably helped that. I agree that a different response is possible, and might facilitate discussion - I just wanted to help the OP out, in case he hadn't considered how he was contributing to the mess that happened. I think most people are more open to being questioned with some respect in the question (you do this most of the time, unless you're looking to poke someone into a reaction, I think).The resposes went into fanaticism though. Which is really hard to respond with logic.
I mean who do you think you are to question martial arts?
You are not enlightened in my style.
And this dislike bombing nonsense.
Unfortunately the responses does justify the concept that people are more emotionally attached to martial arts than logically deciding the best tool for the job.
Which to a certain degree is fair enough but can go too far if you are not aware of it.
The tone of the initial post probably helped that. I agree that a different response is possible, and might facilitate discussion - I just wanted to help the OP out, in case he hadn't considered how he was contributing to the mess that happened. I think most people are more open to being questioned with some respect in the question (you do this most of the time, unless you're looking to poke someone into a reaction, I think).
I've always read that the other way around (which is essentially the same thing): The only reason your style works is that student.The issue for me is dogmatic stupidity pokes a reaction in me.
So while they think they are imparting some enlightenment on me I just think they are being an idiot.
Hey by the way did you know if my style doesn't work it is the fault of the student?
Because it is the individual not the style.
The tone of the initial post probably helped that. I agree that a different response is possible, and might facilitate discussion - I just wanted to help the OP out, in case he hadn't considered how he was contributing to the mess that happened. I think most people are more open to being questioned with some respect in the question (you do this most of the time, unless you're looking to poke someone into a reaction, I think).
This is what I was talking about. Being respectful isn't the same thing as "wearing kid gloves and tiptoing around". And being direct isn't the same thing as being harsh, which isn't the same thing as being inconsiderate, which isn't the same thing as being rude.I realize that wearing kid gloves and tiptoing around people's feeling while delivering my message probably would have at least delayed the inevitable gush of emotional outburst, but only delayed it. As the lions share of the responses show, this issue is not grounded in any sort of rational or logic for many people.
I realized that my very first day here. People that invest years and decades into something generally become very emotionally invested, and don't like to hear anything outside of their canon.
This is what I was talking about. Being respectful isn't the same thing as "wearing kid gloves and tiptoing around". And being direct isn't the same thing as being harsh, which isn't the same thing as being inconsiderate, which isn't the same thing as being rude.
I tell people things they don't want to hear as a part of my profession. They rarely argue with me about it.
Which when you get right down to it is the real purpose for style bashing.Ah so you're trolling. Right got it
Which when you get right down to it is the real purpose for style bashing.
Your not going to change anyone's mind with it, any instructor worth his salt should be better able to answer questions about his/her style better than a random forum post so where is the real value?
Read this thread again and tell me with a straight face I am the disrespectful one. Seriously. I dare you.This is what I was talking about. Being respectful isn't the same thing as "wearing kid gloves and tiptoing around". And being direct isn't the same thing as being harsh, which isn't the same thing as being inconsiderate, which isn't the same thing as being rude.
I tell people things they don't want to hear as a part of my profession. They rarely argue with me about it.
That depends how you mean that. I build a relationship that leads them to listen, and present my findings with respect for them and their people. They don't always take precisely the action I advise, but they generally don't get argumentative about the findings.Have you set up an environment where arguing about it is discouraged?
I mean I do workplace training. And that is all about people telling me things I don't want to hear. I don't argue because I am not allowed to.
Your tone in the OP is awfully harsh for a conversation opener. Your first response to the first reply is not respectful.Read this thread again and tell me with a straight face I am the disrespectful one. Seriously. I dare you.
It's funny that so many of you are self identifying with this and getting offended. I didn't single out any style other than one comment on aikido not preparing you for combat, and otherwise have been very specific about who and what I am talking about(which I stand by).
If this to you seems harsh -Your tone in the OP is awfully harsh for a conversation opener. Your first response to the first reply is not respectful.
Can we all agree that this:
... is not ever... Never... Never ever... Going to be effective in a fight. BUT, takes some serious athleticism and looks like it might be fun.
That's an incredibly tenuous leap. I could say the same thing about a b-boy.And in all honesty that dude would probably kill both of us if we tried to harm him or his family. Not because of frog form kung fu, but judging by his athleticism he very well may know tons of applicable arts.
Totally agree.And if he doesn't well, who gives a damn it is very impressive anyway. This is clearly more art then martial and there is nothing wrong with that.
Some "accepted belief" areThe purpose of style bashing is to challenge accepted belief.