Unfortunately, yes. I say that because I'm a beard guy. But, alas, various jobs I've had, including at the present, do not allow beards. Sons-O-bitches!
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Unfortunately, yes. I say that because I'm a beard guy. But, alas, various jobs I've had, including at the present, do not allow beards. Sons-O-bitches!
Awesome. I go back and forth between beard and goatee.
After a couple years My wife finally accepted that she married an extra from the Vikings.
Awesome. I go back and forth between beard and goatee.
After a couple years My wife finally accepted that she married an extra from the Vikings.
You need beads in the beard then Runic Hair/Beard Rings
Labels are never correct, but that doesn't make them wrong. To call me a "martial artist" isn't incorrect, but it certainly misses the entire rest of what/who I am. The same goes for calling me a "consultant", "trainer", "professional speaker", or "High-I" (DISC behavior model). But all are effective descriptors of that facet of me.
Labels don't have to restrict anyone. They simply let us communicate something about the person. "Tomboy" is no more harmful than "long-haired" or "engineer", so long as it's not used in a hurtful way.
Once upon a time, "tomboy" was an unusual thing for a girl to be called. These days, it accurately describes about half the women and girls I know - maybe more than half. Just because a term is used to describe someone, that doesn't mean they're being called something un-feminine (whatever that would actually mean). There are some labels that work across genders (though some of them didn't originally), like geek, nerd, punk, rocker, hipster, bookish, etc. And there are some that tend to apply to one gender or the other, like tomboy, macho, etc. I don't care what someone calls me - I care about why they call me that. If someone wants to call me a nerd, I'm okay with that if they say it because I am knowledgeable (a common usage among folks I know). If the call me that in an attempt to demean me, it won't ruffle my feathers, but I will probably like them a bit less for their intent.
Agreed. I know women who proudly claim each of those. I can think of two who proudly claim both.
Again, you seem to be saying the labels limit them somehow. I know two women who will proudly claim to be both girly-girl and tomboy (not one each, both claiming both). They are precisely the kind of person you're talking about: they might hike with makeup and jewelry if that's what they're wearing when the opportunity presents. (Come to think of it, I'm the male version of that. I've hiked in a suit and tie, because I had one on and found out there was a waterfall a mile or two down a trail nearby.)
That's an entirely different issue than using descriptive labels. In the US, tomboy isn't seen as a negative label by anyone I know. The cultural upbringing continues to be something of an issue (note that we don't have a decent descriptive word for a boy who likes to go out and climb trees, nor one I'm aware of for a boy who is clean and fastidious). Some of the labels came from that problem, but they don't necessarily continue the issue, once they are embraced with a different meaning and intent.
My wife has never known me without my beard. She has warned me that if I ever remove it, she won't recognize me, and I'll be in danger in my own house.Awesome. I go back and forth between beard and goatee.
After a couple years My wife finally accepted that she married an extra from the Vikings.
How do you know I don't already have them.
I once braided my goatee only to find out that every time I opened my mouth it brought tears to me eyes due to it being braided too tight....total fail.
Labels don't bother me that much. Take me for example, I am totally fine labeled as eye candy.
Why call them anything? Why not call them by their name and have done with it? The limiting is in the eye of the person calling them 'tomboys' and girly girls, ( the latter is very twee and somewhat cringeworthy) As I said it's old fashioned now to call girls these, it's luckily dying out. This thread is the first time I've heard it for a very long time. I think things are culturally different between us, more perhaps than we think. Call someone a girly girl here now and she'll look at you with pity for being a dinosaur, the Spice Girls are history, what we have now is Emma Watson, Malala, J K Rowling, Nicola Adams, Hope Powell and Caitlin Moran all strong women.
You can all think I'm wrong of course, but I work with hundreds of girls and young women, we talk and the old fashioned ideas of what girls should be, how they are described, how they are treated are different now. Do you really need to call girls tomboys and girlygirls? Or can you think of them as just being unique human beings?
We use words to describe people. If someone can't use any labels, they can only call me Gerry. When someone asks for a description, they'd have to stop there, because any description is a label. They can't say I'm a man, have brown hair, like to hike, or anything else, because all of those are labels. Or, they could call me an outdoorsy guy who's a bit of a clothes horse and has brown hair. None of that changes or controls who I am - it describes who I am...rather, part of who I am.
And I'll repeat that there are women I know who call themselves tomboy and/or girly-girl. In fact, I don't hear those terms used often by men - far more often by women, and mostly to describe themselves.
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I just shaved my goatee 2 months ago. I had it for 18 years and felt like a change was in order. When my wife met me for lunch that day, the only reason she recognized me was because I had our daughters with me. She'd never seen me without it.
I'm growing it back. I waited until summer break where I can go the 2 weeks or so without shaving.
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Looking at that picture, I'd say 80s porn star or cop. Since I knew you're a cop, I figure maybe both?
Again though that is different from here and Europe, tomboy and girly girl are slang terms not adjectives. Here girly girl is just about synonymous with Essex girl which is not a compliment. This American site instruction girls how to be girly girls is actually pretty vomit inducing. How to Be Girly and More Feminine
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I live in a society that drops the C bomb as a compliment. Tom boy would not even bee a blip.
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It's a girly-girl website. It doesn't capture the opinion or attitude of all Americans. We have 5 x the population of the UK spread out over 40 x the land area. The amount of subcultures we have is pretty substantial. But I still think think it's okay for websites like that to exist. I might not be into it, or even see the appeal, but I respect that others are into it.
Oh I know, it's the land where 'brace yourself Sheila' is deemed foreplay.
Even the part about gossiping about others? In the age of internet bullying? Okay.
